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Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:15 am | Updated: 11:39 am, Thu Oct 4, 2012.

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  • shalimar posted at 9:31 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    shalimar Posts: 1

    This shelter worker was training another worker and forgot to leave a note? That shelter worker is dangerous. One wonders how bad her training will be for the trainee to make mistakes.

    What is so surprising that the neighbors who trapped the cat lied and said they had not? Why does anyone expect neighbors who take someone's else animal to suddenly be honest even with a child.

    I agree emphatically that cats should be kept inside. Quakerbacker. It's unfortunate that you, an adult, cannot keep your cat inside. You are setting up a scenario where your cat will one day also be found in a canyon, per Clancy Zack's cat whom she allowed outside. (And, please, don't write back there are no canyons in your neighborhood. I think you get my point) . And, Onetime, scream and insult me as much as you like, the fault is with the father who allowed the cat to roam, period. Perhaps he did not want to spend the money on cat litter or clean a litter box Not exactly glorious reasons for allowing a cat to roam outside. It was a death waiting to happen. None of my 4 cats go outside. They are all strays, accustomed to the outside. And you know what? They're all alive. Not one is going to be found in a canyon. Pammy: Cats hunt and other creatures die. And that's OK with you. Don't bemoan the death of Toothless if you think it OK that other creatures are killed by predators. Cats kill birds, chipmunks, ad nauseam. Dogs, coyotes, cars (and nasty neighbors) kill cats.

    It's not difficult to figure out. If Toothless had been kept in the house, he would still be alive and all of us would be doing something else. Toothless' death is an abomination because it did not have to happen.

  • TheHunter posted at 11:23 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

    TheHunter Posts: 1

    Seriously kid, don't read all this crap on here. All I need to know is the address of the "neighbors".

  • Bi posted at 7:01 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bi Posts: 3

    [crying] I hope you can fill the hole in your heart someday. But I'll tell you one thing on matter what always be happy about the time you spent together with toothless and always be forgiving I'm shore toothless will be happy if you do that ok.

  • Bi posted at 6:49 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bi Posts: 3

    so sorry I made a mistake and reported your comment I hope u can forgive me.

  • Bi posted at 6:37 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bi Posts: 3

    I love cats they are so much fun to play with so feel so so so sorry for you and your brother and also your PaPa [crying].

  • Miss Scarlet posted at 3:50 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Miss Scarlet Posts: 1

    So are humans.

  • quackerbacker posted at 5:34 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.

    quackerbacker Posts: 1

    Not only does it sound like you are blaming the victim (Toothless the cat), but also the victim's owners (Rayden and his family).
    NOT every cat will allow themselves to be indoor only kitties.. I know.. I have 1 that REFUSES to stay inside (Kissa will go outside no matter what you try.. she will run outside while you are trying to come inside from work, or leave to go to work or even better yet, while you have both of your hands full of the bags of groceries that you just got at the market).

  • Art posted at 5:14 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.

    Art Posts: 2

    Yes indeed. Those "neighbors" need to be tarred and feathered, at the very minimum.

  • 717becky posted at 5:13 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.

    717becky Posts: 1

    That was my first thought exactly... they only waited less than a week (including over a weekend when they were not open)????? Why wouldn't they give themselves enough time to even "advertise" that they had him (pic on website, etc.) to see if someone was looking for him? The only thing I can think of the owners could have done differently (it wasn't mentioned, maybe they did, but) would have been to file a report with the shelter... with the thought that someone there would be looking through the "missing kitties" reports when they took one in to see if the cat brought in matches one that is "lost"... again, they didn't seem to give themselves adequate time for any of this to have a chance to happen if they euthanize in less than a week. Then everything would not have hinged on a forgotten note... there still would have been time.

    As for the lying neighbors... there are no words, because the short window of opportunity would have been a non-issue in the first place if they had told them up front when asked that they had caught him. Yes, they had a right to be upset if the cat was disturbing their property... but they certainly have cold, cold hearts to lie to the faces of kids who are obviously concerned about their pet.

    To the family, I am so sorry... I have also had outside cats (not because I wanted them to be, but because they had been before I acquired them and didn't make good indoor cats), we had one killed by dogs in our yard, and another who disappeared (although we're pretty sure he went off and died, he was 20 yrs old with health issues), I know what it is like to worry over them, and to lose them. But as someone else posted, sometimes it seems that things happen so that you can help other kitties in need... although you miss him, you don't have to "worry" about his safety anymore, he is safe and content now.

  • HeHo Doyle posted at 4:06 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.

    HeHo Doyle Posts: 1

    These neighbors are utterly despicable. Put a top on your sandbox outside or ask the owners of the cats to pay for the topper of it. Taking a pet away from someone, then lying to them (and we all know darn well you never expected to get caught) about it is reprehensible. I view these people the same way I view child molesters. They had no right to take this child's innocence away from him.

    I truly hope that these people are made aware, daily, by all the people in their town that they find them as equally disgusting as I do.

  • Art posted at 2:51 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.

    Art Posts: 2

    I hope you do not mean to blame the victim.

  • ZenoPSU posted at 10:55 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    ZenoPSU Posts: 2

    I agree. The shelter made a horrible mistake. I'm sure the person who messed up is distraught over his/her mistake. But the neighbor flat out lied to the kid. Had the neighbor said, "yes, I saw your cat and had the police take him to the shelter," they may have been able to get the cat out sooner, thus saving his life. The neighbor is a tool.

  • ZenoPSU posted at 10:49 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    ZenoPSU Posts: 2

    What about truck owner?

  • LynneH posted at 9:16 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    LynneH Posts: 1

    Dear Rayden,

    I just read the letter you wrote and I am very sad that you and Devin lost your best friend and kitty Toothless. Toothless sounds like he was a really special cat and your PaPa sounds like a really great father for trying to help you get him back. I know you and your family loved Toothless because you kept looking for him and never gave up. Toothless is in Heaven now where he can be happy but I bet he misses you too and looks forward to when you can all be together again in Heaven. When you are a kid, it is hard to understand why grown ups don't always do the right thing. They make mistakes and sometimes pretty bad mistakes. When you are a kid, they don't really tell you that. You are learning a really hard lesson in forgiveness and understanding at a very young age.

    I hope you and Devin will always remember Toothless and do things that would make Toothless proud. For one thing, it is important to be thoughtful and mindful of your promises and to follow through on them (and not forget to do something like leave a note). Another thing I just thought of is that if you get another kitty that likes to go outside, you could get him microchipped. Microchipping is when the veterinarian puts a little chip under the kitty's skin to help identify the kitty if it gets lost. But if I had your neighbors, I probably wouldn't let my pets go outside anyway.

    I am happy that you and your brother took such good care of Toothless and hope someday, when you feel better, you can find another kitty. Maybe one will find you!

    You're a great kid and I am sure your PaPa is proud of you for writing this nice letter about Toothless.


  • Ambersmith19876 posted at 4:22 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Ambersmith19876 Posts: 1

    This is why car owners need to be responsible and keep their cats indoors. Lots of people hate cats and do cruel things. My cats stay inside and with lots of toys, interaction and love they are happy and most of all SAFE. Please keep your cats inside to avoid a tragedy like this!

  • Tervman posted at 3:25 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.

    Tervman Posts: 1

    Why does it seem that there is always an excuse when someone really screws up? "Oops...we were training someone and your cat died." How about this..."Oops, I forgot to sign your paycheck."

    As for the people who trapped Toothless then lied to know who you are, and I hope the rest of the town finds out too. Maybe someone will forget to leave a note on your cage too!!!

  • ClancyZack posted at 5:11 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    ClancyZack Posts: 2

    Hello Rayden…

    I am writing to you from San Diego, CA and my heart goes out to you for the loss of your kitty.

    In recent years I had a cat named Rufus. He too was my best friend. I got him when he was a kitten – he picked me to come home with. I could set my watch by Rufus… then one day he did not come home. We found him a few days later in the canyon. It was very sad. I cried for weeks. Then one day another kitty found me… so I took him home. You see, Rufus had to go so another kitty could come and have a great life with us. My new kitty, Lute, will never take the place of Rufus - he will always remind me of the good times Rufus and I had. And I thank Rufus everyday for bringing Lute to me. Now I am not so sad, and Lute has a good life… Just like Rufus wanted.

    Hang in there kid… Toothless will bring you another “best friend” and he will never let you forget how much he loved you.

  • LizFromLA posted at 2:54 pm on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    LizFromLA Posts: 1

    Dear Rayden,

    I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved kitty cat, Toothless. I will be making a donation to my local no-kill animal shelter in your name and will encourage others to do the same.


  • sue posted at 11:48 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    sue Posts: 2

    Well said Roots

  • sue posted at 11:47 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    sue Posts: 2

    I blame your neighbours about this. Nasty nasty people. I feel so sorry for you. I have 4 cats who I love dearly. Rayden big hugs to you and your brother and parents xx

    The shelter needs ro change its processes to stop this happening again and also stop killing these cats and run a neutre programm

  • PamM posted at 8:00 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    PamM Posts: 1

    Dear Rayden,

    YOu are absolutely right. And all of the thousands of pets killed every day in shelters were someone's pets. Most are perfectly adoptable. The United States is killing Millions of Pets needlessly every year.

    I Hope that you will get another kitty and let your love for Toothless be given to another.

    I also hope that this Shelter changes from a killing machine to a real help for kitties that are lost.

    Your neighbor ought to be ashamed of themselves.

  • Roots posted at 1:15 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    Roots Posts: 3911

    Draco, I know that some feel that way - that cats are an invasive species - but to say it on this particular forum is meanness. Please write a letter to the editor, so that we `can discuss it away from Rayden.

  • DracoTrident posted at 11:28 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

    DracoTrident Posts: 6

    Cats are an invasice species.

  • CosmicCatlady posted at 12:21 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    CosmicCatlady Posts: 1


    I am so very sorry for your loss. My heart is broken to hear the story about your cat, Toothless. I hope you will find it in your heart to be able to perhaps adopt another cat or kitten from a shelter, so that another one of God's beautiful creatures will have the chance to enjoy the love and affection you have in abundance.

  • oneverycorner posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    oneverycorner Posts: 1

    So look: beyond the fact that there are entirely different schools of thought as to if a cat should be indoor, indoor/outdoor or outdoor only. The basic point here is: The adults shouldn't have lied, its crap that the shelter made a huge mistake, and this kid learned a really crappy lesson about the incredibly fallible nature of his fellow humans.

    As a person who owns indoor/outdoor cats, has worked at vet clinics, volunteered at sheltered and is a huge advocate for adoption and healthy responsible pet owners - I get both sides. I'm one of those people who thinks its cruel to confine a predator to the house only, that being said, I have cats who keep a set territory - we communicate with the neighbors and we assist our lower income neighbors in getting their pets spayed/neutered and frankly, our now, 14 year old cats, think the inside of the house is much more interesting than the outside...and we trained them to have a 'bed time' (when the window shuts: eliminating the magical access to the food fairy - it works, takes a bit of time, but all furry heads are in by sundown in our house...if not, we go looking) - this is how I was raised.

    But I was raised with a family who involved themselves in local shelters and who understood that there is a lot of variance in what a responsible pet owner looks like. - There is also little to know consistent communication on what to do when you loose a pet or a pet goes missing, in my state we have hotlines you can call - that notify all of the local shelters. I don't know if their state has something like that, but it would be worth setting up.

    And why? because my Mom's cat got shot by a neighbor when she was a teenager because he didn't think he should tell her that her cat was getting into his house - she had no clue and could take no action - in her grief she changed her behavior.

    Maybe this really terrible incident will motivate folks in that neighborhood to look at doing community efforts to educate on responsible pet ownership - and perhaps this little boy will do something awesome like involve himself in the volunteer circuit and help those animals in shelters get back to their correct homes and/or find new and better ones.

    The last thing this family needs - is to read all of these comments.

  • pammy posted at 7:11 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    pammy Posts: 1

    Cats roam, it's what they do to hunt and be cats. Got a sandbox, put a lid on it.when not in use. The neighbours Solved a problem with anger and hate, the consequence is more anger and hate mixed in with pain, heart ache and confusion for the children. Extremely Sad ......

  • Julia posted at 5:50 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Julia Posts: 1

    Hi Rayden,
    I am so sorry that you lost Toothless. When I saw How To Train Your Dragon, Toothless reminded me of my kitty, Mossy. She is black with long hair, too. I know it is so sad and hard to lose your pet. I'm sorry that this happened. Think of all the great things about Toothless, and how he made you laugh and smile. I know you took great care of him, and he was happy to be your kitty. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

  • Little Al posted at 3:26 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Little Al Posts: 3080

    Wow ! This gets on MSN and look at all the love that's coming to little old CV. Cant want till CNN picks it up. Call out the N.G.

  • rhijameson posted at 3:13 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    rhijameson Posts: 1

    This shelter needs to be re-evaluated. Now, I am completely against kill "shelters", however, even a kill "shelter" should wait a substantial period of time after the animal is found in case it does belong to someone. Just because someone caught it doesn't mean it didn't escape from someone else.
    Additionally, just because you are "training someone" does not excuse the fact that you acted irresponsibly. I've trained people at the department store I used to work at, yet I still completed all my tasks in a timely manner, even if I had to stay a few minutes late. It's called being responsible.
    The fact that the neighbors LIED TO CHILDREN is appalling. What are humans coming to? Even if you did something bad, even if it was an accident (in this case it obviously was not), you need to man up and and apologize. Those neighbors are worthless human beings for acting as they did. They may not have been the ones who killed the cat, however, merely turning the cat over with a "Don't let him out again" warning- well, that is clearly the right thing to do. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
    Again, some things in this town definitely need to be re-evaluated, from the shelter to the humanity of the people. I know I would never want to live there.

  • GEMMY posted at 2:58 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    GEMMY Posts: 2

    Well said my opinion exactly.

  • GEMMY posted at 2:56 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    GEMMY Posts: 2

    I feel really sorry for this young boy. The Cache Humane Society made a huge mistake and they are certainly paying for it. But along with Cache's culpability I think the neighbors who say they caught him in trap and had the police remove him are equally accountable if not more. They seem like truly horrible people especially since the little boys knocked on doors looking for their cat and they lied. I really hope these neighbors do the decent thing and apologize to these children, but I don't believe they will even though they are ultimately responspible for setting the wheels in motion that caused this little boy's cat to be euthanized.

  • El Sabor Asiatico posted at 12:00 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    El Sabor Asiatico Posts: 1

    While I don't advocate Internet revenge against the neighbors who essentially killed the boy's cat, I do hope that they contract an incurable and extremely painful form of cancer on their genitalia.

  • Onetime posted at 2:16 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Onetime Posts: 4

    KittyLuvr - I find your moniker to be dubious. I don't believe you are a cat lover as your name implies. At this point I believe it is far more likely that you know the neighbors involved in this story and are trying to defend their actions. In my previous post I didn't say that the neighbor's actions "make them wrong". However since you brought that up I do believe that the neighbor's actions were at the best unneighborly and at the worst down right malicious. I simply stated that actions have consequences. When you decide upon an action understand that there will be a reaction. Newton's law of motion explains that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. We are not talking physics here but it is common sense. If you trap a cat and turn it over to a shelter you have to understand that there are many potential outcomes. This, obviously, was one of the potential outcomes.

    Have you ever really owned a cat KittyLuvr? I ask that because of two statements you make in your comment. The first, "Point being that the cat was roaming." and the second "it was the kityy owners fault because they failed to keep their kitty out of their neighbors yard". It's a freaking cat. How do you train a cat not to wonder outside of your yard? Do you bring it to town hall and show it a plot of your property? Employ an electric fence? Put it on a dog, I mean, cat run? These are ridiculous options. I'll say again, it's a cat. Sure you can keep the cat as an indoor cat, that is what I do, but some people believe it is cruel to confine an animal to a few hundred or thousand square feet. There are pros and cons to both sides of that argument. But to suggest it is the cat owner's fault because they allowed their cat to "roam" suggests that you aren't truly a cat lover and are more likely a friend of the neighbor trying to defend their actions without deference to the facts at hand.

  • ridor9th posted at 1:48 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    ridor9th Posts: 1

    Forgetting to put a note on Toothless' cage is irresponsible. People who botched this should be fired.


  • robreto posted at 11:39 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    robreto Posts: 2

    I assume this is where he got the information about the sandbox. (From ksl news)

  • KittyLuvr posted at 11:24 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    KittyLuvr Posts: 3

    In my response I meant to say does NOT make them wrong, but left out the word, NOT. Also please excuse my typo's. As well, Ild like to clarify what I meant by writing that I don't know who you are, which is meant to say that I wasn't sure if you are a newspaper employee commenting on something from print, or commentng based on hearsay or what. I haven't read any such articles about that as of yet and haven't seen any links. :)

  • KittyLuvr posted at 11:13 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    KittyLuvr Posts: 3

    I don't know who you are as far as what you heard. I would like to read said account in print where it verifies that. Maybe you are correct, and I am not disputing that, but to post this letter knowing full well it may bring harm to those people is unimaginable. Go to the article on MSN about this and read all of the hate posts. I truly believe there will be some people who will stop at nothing to revenge thes people. The animal shelter euthanized their cat, not the people who turned it over. As horrific as it all plays out, even if the people truly did tell the owners they hadn't seen the cat when they (and if) they were aware it was the same cat does make them wrong. If the cat was free to roam then even animal control could have captured the cat on its own and taken it in. Point being that the cat was roaming. By your reply it sounds the neighbors had it with one another. As in, 'your cat uses my Sandoz as a litter box and you won't keep it away' kind of thing. That behaviour can lead to these awful situations. I still question their motive of writing that letter to the editor. As sad as the outcome is, the letter is still contrived. It had mean intentions suggesting "It's not okay for one neighbor to do this but it is for the other neighbor to subject that neighbor to possible personal violence". It was sad, very sad indeed. But the shelter killed the kitty, not the neighbors. And if people want to place that blame on the neighbors, then why not go as far as to say it was the kityy owners fault because they failed to keep their kitty out of their neighbors yard?

  • sdmom posted at 10:11 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    sdmom Posts: 3

    @SFC MAC: That is so silly. I'm sure the Obamas wouldn't tie their pet to the roof for roadtrips.

  • sdmom posted at 10:10 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    sdmom Posts: 3

    Seriously, what's wrong with you? Mean people suck.

  • sdmom posted at 10:02 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    sdmom Posts: 3

    Your message was extremely mean-spirited. It was nasty for the neighbors to have trapped the cat and then lied about it. Most people cover their sandboxes so leaves and other debris won't blow in. They should have told their neighbors about the problem.

  • Onetime posted at 6:18 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Onetime Posts: 4

    Kittyluvr - I believe I read somewhere that the neighbors were annoyed because the cat was using their child's Sandoz as a litter box. However they didn't inform the cat's owners until after they admitted to trapping it. As to any previous feud like history between the two families I have no information pertaining to that. I don't believe the neighbors should be subject to any vigilantism and wish them no harm. With that said one of the earliest lessons parents impart on their children is that there are consequences to your actions. The owners of the cat have every right to tell the world what their neighbors did to their cat. It may be the only recourse they have. The neighbors should not have done what they did if they didn't want anyone finding out about it. Hopefully they'll learn what it means to be a good neighbor and think about the potential consequences, whether intended or otherwise, in the future.

  • KittyLuvr posted at 5:45 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    KittyLuvr Posts: 3

    Where in the article does it state the neighbors killed the cat?

    It sure sounds like there is considerably more to this story than has been reported. Think about it: The parents help their son write this letter to the editor, then the paper publishes it. In turn, the letter goes viral and people all over want to find these neighbors and cause harm to them, or just hope something bad happens to them. Some might even act on it or just trash their yard or home, or leave phone calls or notes. What if the neighbors have children or grandchildren? What if the angry lynch mobs carry their anger over to the family?

    I am not condoning these neighbors actions, nor am I agreeing they did anything wrong. We do not know the entire story yet. And it does sound like these two families might have created some differences between themselves long before this letter to the paper came out. Because, as sad as this outcome is, what did the parents expect to accomplish by making this public like they did? Anybody knows good and well this stuff goes viral and brings out the haters and potential lynch mob mentalities. How is it anymore right to harm the neighbors, especially by exposing them into the public eye on social networks and such, when we all know there could be some nutjob who could take matters into their own hand and make everything even worse?

    This story reads like the family was aware their cat roamed the neighborhood and, possibly, even permitted it. Maybe the cat was doing its business at the neighbors, who knows. I just know that in today's world to never assume everyone will love your pets, or even your kids like you do. They just might call the humane society (or whatever agency comes after strays) So don't let 'em roam.

    My neighbors cat was a roamer, and it was tragically run over on the main roads. In fact, I didn't even know it was their cat until I'd heard about the incident. I thought it was some stray so left cat food and water outside for it because it was killing the field mice! But it was only around for about 3 months before I never saw her again. Too bad, too, because this cat was doing some good in the neighborhood. Very sad.

    It's truly sad about the little boy feelings and his loss, but lets not make this worse than it is by attempting revenge. What then might that teach the little boy? And the shelter has apologized and offered another kitty whenever the family feels ready. It's just an unfortunate mistake and I don't see why the parents wanted to write this letter with their boy to get it published. It feels a bit like like a revenge to the neighbor, and like the shaming videos we are suddenly seeing everywhere. I like to at least hear more about the neighbors side of the story, and do these two neighbors have a previous rift? I don't just take a one-sided story and jump on the lynch-mob train.

  • kiki posted at 8:14 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    kiki Posts: 1

    Rayden Sazama, I just learned of your family's loss and am grieving with you. As a former employee of Knox County Humane Society in Tennessee, let me assure you that shelters are overworked and the employee who let your dad in after hours had only the best intentions. People make mistakes. She will live with the sadness of this mistake for a lifetime and would give anything to have another chance to save your pet. I will not speak of your neighbor because I have nothing positive to say about him/her. I am fighting tears as I write this to you. May you, your family, and your community find "the peace that passes understanding."

  • Princess posted at 1:39 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Princess Posts: 1

    I am hoping there is an animal-loving attorney here willing to take on this case gratis. Whoever knows the name of the lying, murdering neighbors, please post it on FB or Topix, where they won't delete it like they probably will here. Maybe they will get run out of the neighborhood, so other pets will be safe. The so-called shelter could have given the pet back and gotten the money the next day if they had any compassion.

  • DL in DEN posted at 4:53 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DL in DEN Posts: 3062

    Pollicles and Jellicles. Enough already.

  • DenverDoug posted at 3:02 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DenverDoug Posts: 975

    I think the guy, now known as "Comment Removed" must be Obama's debate strategist.

  • sundoll posted at 2:10 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    sundoll Posts: 1

    Wow... it amazes me sometimes to read things that people post and how many people are out that are filled with anger and evil. This story is about a young child who lost their pet. Did you not grow up with a pet? Aparently not so. So reading your post I can see why you are very cold against a child who's beloved pet was killed. I agree that pet owners do need to carry a degree of responsibilities when caring and looking after their pets.
    However, I think adults, such as yourself and the ones referenced in this story, who find the time and hassel to think of a way to "trap" an animal and turn them in is sick and weird. Why not just call animal control to come and trap the animal ??Cause thats what they get paid to do.
    Is your heart and mind that filled with hate and evil, that you can sit and plot an idea to capture an animal out of anger cause its in your yard (and not causing a threat.) So if small children was constantly playing in your yard, will your evil mind think of a trap of capture them?
    At least your post is an eye opener for pet owners who do not always lock up their pets. It is best to do so otherwise they may end up in wrong hands of heartless people such like yourself.

  • myopinion0525 posted at 2:01 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    myopinion0525 Posts: 2

    I'm sorry...

    But you need to remember that your opinions are in regard to a letter written by a sympathetic grandfather, on behalf of his grieving and very young grandson. Many opinions written here have become quite controversial and very adult, but attacking a person offering empathy to this boy and his family at this time of their loss and grief is cruel, heartless and entirely innapropriate.

    I respect you the right to your opinion and for you to voice it, but this is not the appropriate avenue by which to air it. Perhaps if you feel this strongly you should exercise your rights to write a letter to the editor and provoke your own thread of comments that are more suitable for this line of debate.

    Please keep in mind your audience and be respectful of that. I assume that you, as an adult can understand that even the child involved has yet to attack anyone in this very heated and emotional situation.

    Thank you.

  • suejw posted at 1:57 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    suejw Posts: 1

    I keep my cats in but this is not an appropriate comment for this sad story. I kid's kitty was killed and you turn it into a lecture on keeping cats inside?? Nope, this boy had no say in anything so keep the preaching to yourself.

  • myopinion0525 posted at 1:22 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    myopinion0525 Posts: 2

    I have spent the last while reading a great number of opinions and comments on the letter from this young boy regarding this tragedy -- to him. I have been shocked and disheartened at the way some adults have decided to twist this situation and make it about their own adgenda, but most have stayed fairly close to topic and not, in my opinion, attacked the boy and his very real and serious feelings. Lest you forget, he is a child and does not fully understand car accidents, spousal illness, and loved one's fighting war. His feelings are relative and just as serious, stressfull and distraught as yours -- in your life at this time.

    I have a very ill mother. I have an ex who will have nothing to do with my son and uses my daughter as a weapon against me. I am a civilian that works for the military and I see many of my friends deploy and some do not return. My fiance is a two tour veteran in this current conflict and he could be called to deploy within two weeks notice any given day. He struggles with PTSD and I live with that (happily), as does his daughter that he has full custody of and my son that lives with us. I could go on...

    All of this aside I feel compassion and sorrow for this child and the loss of his best friend. I give him kudos for how he decided to share his story and why. What a difficult life lesson to learn at such a young age. I'm sure the stress and grief he feels is quite relative to the stress and grief you and I are dealing with at this time as well. I also feel empathy for you and the difficulties you are dealing with at this time and I wish you the very best in all of that.

    This being said, perhaps your time would be better spent focusing on your own "bigger and more significant things to worry about" instead of taking your precious time to educate us on your life when this issue is about this boy and his loss. I think that is the same point that @ibcbanker and @lilallycat7 were trying to make.

    Thank you for your time and best with your future.

  • Little Friend posted at 12:55 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    Little Friend Posts: 2

    And I am sorry if this is a double-post, but does anyone know of an email address, address or place to send condolences to the family?

  • Little Friend posted at 12:54 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    Little Friend Posts: 2

    I hope that, by now, thousands of loving, sympathetic, caring messages have made their way to Sazama family. I am sorry, Rayden. No amount of sorrow can bring your kitty back or right the wrongs, but I hope you and your family find peace. God bless.

  • lisaraine posted at 12:46 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    lisaraine Posts: 1

    This made my heart ache. Rayden, i am so sorry for your loss. Does anyone know where, either via email or an old-fashioned letter, I can send condolences to the family?

  • toomanycats posted at 11:20 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    toomanycats Posts: 1

    I truly feel sorry for the young bouy's loss. However, regardless of what the "adults" should have done, I believe the one thing that should have been done was to keep the cat in their house or yard in the first place. Dogs, barking or not, are required to be on a leash or in a fenced yard. Why no such requirement for cats? Cats are constantly coming into my yard and using it as their "litter box" and their playpen for reproducing at all hours of the night. I don't own cats (or dogs) for a reason just as those who own them have a reason. What does it take to keep YOUR cats out of MY yard? Take some responsibility with your cats and keep them to your selves. If you want to own cats, great, I can respect that. Please also respect that I don't own or want cats. Don't get mad when I trap your cat and call the shelter to come get it. Don't get mad when it costs you $60 to get YOUR cat out of the shelter. Don't get mad if this scenario of trap and release plays itself out over and over again. When will you get the message. KEEP TRACK OF YOUR CATS SO I DON'T HAVE TO.

  • Katrina posted at 5:17 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    Katrina Posts: 3

    That's probably a fair thing to do. I am not really proud of or comfortable with how ascerbic my previous words were, and I do apologize for inflicting them on this community. I was too busy feeling sorry and outraged and placing my family into this family's footsteps, and for this I am very sorry.

    I guess at the end of the day, mistakes were made, and a child will have to live with the tragedy not only of losing a loved one, but in such a dubious manner, no matter what we say here.

    I can't determine someone's sincerity from a computer screen. Hopefully everyone involved is decent, sincerely repents how s/he contributed to this tragedy, and will try to make amends somehow, someway. This is something that will eat away at someone who does genuinely care. It the people at the shelter don't really care or are in CYB mode, well, that's not really for me to say. If this doesn't affect you, maybe it's burnout or maybe this just isn't the right field...but again, this shouldn't be for me to say.

    I will say that I hope that, in the aftermath of this pet's death, I do hope that one more item gets added to the training: that matters of life and death trump any other responsibilities. That's the part that really outraged me: that the trainer couldn't be bothered to halt her training for a couple of minutes so s/he could write a stupid note and put it on the pet's cage. Imo that shows either very poor judgment or poor previous training. I also felt offended that this was used to explain why a little kid's pet was killed.

    But it isn't about me. It is about a kid, his pet, and their family...and I sincerely regret their loss.

  • DracoTrident posted at 2:07 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DracoTrident Posts: 6

    I feel sorry for your sons for their loss. But YOU are primarily culpable, and having PaPa write a tear-jerker blame-shifting letter to vilify the shelter doesn't help.

    Let's look at it backwards.

    - Last injustice done is that you have laid blame on many others.
    - The shelter making the mistake and killing the cat is very sad. And negligent.
    - Prior to that, you only showed up at the shelter, after several (four???) days, late, and after normal business hours. That's kind of sorry and sad, and I think negligent as well. Yes, you tried, but, come on, really?
    - Before that, the neighbors lied to your son(s). That's not just negligent, it's a moral fault, but not punishable by law.
    - Before that, the neighbors trapped an animal on their property. That was in their rights to do. Sorry, but, AGAIN, that is a result of YOUR negligence. If the cat was so important, you would not have let it wander.
    - Before that, it sounds like you let the cat wander habitually. It also sounds like this was a problem before for your neighbors, and you admit somewhat cavalierly that you did let the cat wander for a day or so before, without any alarm. Sorry, but, again, that's YOUR negligence, not your neighbors' responsibility.

    So, with all that negligence in your court, how can you then blame ONLY others -- namely the lazy errant shelter worker (confronted AFTER HOURS) and the lying hateful neighbor (who sought their own redress for your wandering cat)? I don't see how that works. But, hey, like many have suggested (nearly all of them insane cat-apologists) try and sue everyone in sight, and don't take responsibility for >>your< negligence.

    Again, sorry, but I don't see that working.

    Last, once again, I feel sorry for your sons' loss. Please do better by them next time and not be so irresponsible or negligent with a pet, and don't be a bad neighbor by letting your pet trespass. Good luck. [smile]

  • DracoTrident posted at 1:47 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DracoTrident Posts: 6

    Thanks for the advice.

  • DracoTrident posted at 1:32 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DracoTrident Posts: 6

    Thank you for all that information. Sensible, useful. :-)

  • DracoTrident posted at 1:16 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DracoTrident Posts: 6

    :-) LOL. [wink] I'm with you.

    Please don't report me to the NAACP (National Association for the Appeasement of Cat People)!

  • DracoTrident posted at 1:14 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    DracoTrident Posts: 6

    They will hate me, but I agree. There's a reason why neighbors trap cats who trespass and shyt in the kids' sand box; but when have you EVER heard of anyone trapping a dog? Hmmm?

    It really is amusing listening to these cat-lovers fall all over themselves to call for punishment of the humans while the cats should be deified and celebrated. Come on, I like dogs, but people come first, sorry.

  • alizya posted at 11:58 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    alizya Posts: 2

    Why don't you send me that photo, with your real name and address on it? You're a vile, sick piece of human excrement.

  • alizya posted at 11:46 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    alizya Posts: 2

    Oh Rayden. How awful. Oh I could sit there and cry for days about this. My neighbors killed my beloved kitty when I was 8. I am 51 now and I have never forgotten her or how hard it was to say good bye. Reading about Toothless made me feel so sad for you, and so angry angry angry at those stupid rotten neighbors who lied to you and then because they worked at a shelter that kills animals they killed your little friend. Grown ups should not lie, and shelters should not kill animals. I am sure your daddy feels pretty bad too, if he is like most dads. Gosh I wish I could make it better. I don't let any of my kitties go outside any more. There is just too much out there to hurt them. I am sending you hugs and lots of love. I will tell you I know how you feel. It's important to do something special like a little funeral and a special stone to remember Toothless. He was every much a part of your family as you are. Love and a big hug, Alycia Keating

  • Matthew Bailey posted at 11:20 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Matthew Bailey Posts: 1

    And exactly which world is it you live in where Black Mambas are even legal to bring into the USA, or own as Pets? Poisonous snakes are not allowed to be "pets," especially exotic African Vipers.

    And, Piranha? Really? You are worried about Piranha in your lawn? The number of Piranha owners in the USA is remarkably small, and not large enough to create any problem, even if one or two were "dumped."

    The weather in the USA tends to kill them during the winter.

    And, I think I am going to report you to the Humane Society and SPCA

  • posted at 8:32 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.


    HJ, please shut this nut down.

  • Katrina posted at 7:01 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Katrina Posts: 3

    If Ms. Smith et als are really that "sick" about this, maybe they should seek employment in a different field where they would be a better fit. She didn't even bother to say, "I'm sorry," or to offer a sincere(-sounding) formal apology. Someone who seems to have this little empathy with a little child's suffering, and the life of a cherished pet, in my opinion shouldn't hold the power of life and death over animals who have no voice. Ditto with the clerk, who thought her "training" was more important than saving a life. If their priorities are this messed up, they have no business with "assisting" animals and their human companions.

  • Onetime posted at 4:32 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Onetime Posts: 4

    Woody you having a nice chat with yourself? You've been going at it for quite a while with no responses, pace yourself, maybe you should set a bit. Don't want to get all tuckered out. Instead of posting online why don't you whittle your thoughts onto a piece of driftwood you found down at the crick in the holler with a knife you purchased from a Chris Farley look a like you saw screaming at 5 AM on an infomercial, you hick. This article has over 260 comments. You come along and silence. You must be great at parties. I'm hesitant to post anything because it'd be almost as much fun to ignore you like everyone else has but I decided I'd rather insult you. Thank goodness all the songbirds have you to save them from the feline scourge. Do you like them so much because they're the only ones that "talk" to you? On a final note I don't believe any of what you've typed. You don't kill cats. I bet you break for moths when driving at night in your old Chevy on the way back from the last bar in town that hasn't banned you because in this economy they're too desperate for any dime they can get. Then when you get home you fall asleep on your old pleather barcalounger with the remote in your hand a white long haired cat you named Fluffy, because she is just so darned fluffy, purring on your lap. Based on your plethora of comments and the fact that you seem to be responding to comments that no one has made I can assure you that you are indeed infected with Toxoplasmosis. You know the parasite you get from coming in contact with the fecal matter of cats or eating undercooked meat. I'm sure you've eaten plenty of both. Compared with uninfected men, males who have the parasite are more introverted, suspicious, oblivious to other people’s opinions of them, and inclined to disregard rules. I'd say that's you in a quick summation. The good news for everyone else is that emerging research indicates that toxoplasmosis increases suicidal tendencies. If I run into you in that hole in the wall bar I'll buy you a shot. Here's to you proving those researchers right and turn one of those firearms around.

  • goodpastor posted at 3:52 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    goodpastor Posts: 1

    Isn't the killing and photography of killing small animals one of the first signs of a serial killer?
    I just pray that whatever has caused you to be such a callous, angry human being can be resolved, and that you may find peace.

  • Scarface posted at 2:28 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Scarface Posts: 67

    What about the dogs that bark almost nonstop? There are laws against this in the area where I live. However, such laws are a joke, as nobody is going to enforce them, and you are made the perpetrator when you call it in. I believe these barking laws should have teeth. If you're going to have a dog that's going to be outside at all, you are required to have their vocal cords snipped. Otherwise, move out to the country where you don't have any neighbors closer than a quarter mile.

  • Scarface posted at 2:24 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Scarface Posts: 67

    There are some irresponsible pet owners in every neighborhood, even mine. I'm tempted to catch them when they come to my year to dump their excrement. I'd donate them to the Bear Lake area.

  • justajumpin posted at 1:54 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    justajumpin Posts: 2

    Oh yeah I would WAY rather have black mambas in my yard then a couple of cats! Trolllolololololaa

  • ControVersialSigh posted at 9:36 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    ControVersialSigh Posts: 814

    There are good people in this world (even in Cache Valley) and ...
    There are bad people in this world (even in Cache Valley) and ...
    Both of them think they are right.

  • SFC MAC posted at 9:29 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    SFC MAC Posts: 1

    @Boogliodemus: Are you an Obama voter?

  • VA01 posted at 9:26 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    VA01 Posts: 1

    The old lady next door to me threatened to do the same to my cats. It was OK for hers to roam into other yards, but your cat had to stay out of hers. I put in an underground / invisble fence with the small lightweight collars for my two cats. It has been well worth it having the piece of mind knowing they can roam about the yard with little risk of getting out. I originally went with a low shock system thinking that because they were so small it would be better. BIG MISTAKE. Cats seem to tolerate the shock more, possibly due to the thickness of their fur. The Siamese is naturally tough, so when he saw another cat near the yard, he didn't mind taking the shock to go after the other cat. Moving to the Invisible Fence brand with their standard collars set to the highest shock level has kept them in. I actually use collar straps from the company that made the first system (Dog Guard) as their's for small dogs fit a cat better.

    Training is the hardest part with cats, but it is well worth it.

  • By Lantern Light posted at 9:24 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    By Lantern Light Posts: 2

    Oh get out you troll.

    And clearly she isn't. She told you to get a JOB.[wink]

  • Heal The Earth posted at 9:23 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Heal The Earth Posts: 1

    1. What a poor example for these kids. These adults lied for months by not communicating to their neighbors the issue they were experiencing with the Cat.
    2. These kids apparently were taught to never lie and always be Truthful yet again adults lead by poor example by the lies they told to these young ones on not seeing the Cat. [Saying-Learning to tell the truth in all situations allows the speaker to be free from having to cover former lies with more deception].
    3. The worker training, which is why the note was forgotten I can't judge that statement because she may not have had the necessary support in the workplace either but this still does not bring the Cat back unfortunately.
    4. There's a lesson to be learned on this unfortunate happening. Adults grow the f_ _k up and learn some responsibilty for yourselves and our children. The children are following our example and this was proof that the adults in this situation were not leading by example and we wonder why the world is in the state it is in Now!
    5. May the young one find peace within in his Spirit!

  • By Lantern Light posted at 9:20 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    By Lantern Light Posts: 2

    As a catowner I feel for Jayden, and I understand his disapointment with the adults who lied to (the neighbours) or failed him (the woman at the shelter). I hope that while he keeps the memory of his kitty close to his heart that he is able to to move on from this without bittterness, and someday let another pet into to his heart.
    I hope that Jayden knows that not all grown ups live up to the standards that we should, but most of us (I hope) try.

    That being said in the case of the shelter worker: Human error occurs. I hope that she truly is remorseful for her mistake, but calling for the end of her career is overly harsh.

  • jimbonics posted at 9:18 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    jimbonics Posts: 1

    I love you.

  • Davemmiller posted at 9:15 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Davemmiller Posts: 1


    It is sad when anyone loses a pet. It will take a while for this child to get through this. I am sorry for your loss. I have a dog and if it happened to my dog, I would cry a lot.

    Something you may want to tell your parents to do when you get your next cat or pet. Keep a collar on it with your name and a phone number in case it gets lost and someone finds it. They can also put in a very tiny chip that the vet can scan if it ends up at a shelter. Also, remove the little door that allows it outside.

    Remember, people make mistakes. Unfortunately, it happened to your pet. Remember the fun you had and at some point you need to forgive the person for their mistake.

  • Alien posted at 9:01 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Alien Posts: 149

    If we were to round up all the fruitcakes who post here, orion would be quite surprised to find himself among them.

  • orion posted at 8:28 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    orion Posts: 5040

    Jumpin' Jehosephat... from the demented commentaries that wound up on the HJ via the Drudge Report, maybe I prefer the drivel of the fruitcakes from Preston after all.

  • sandramac posted at 8:05 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    sandramac Posts: 1

    I do not live in this town, but the same thing happened to my cat. The people who killed her lied, when asked if they had seen her. I reported them to the police, and they have never again been allowed to rent our town's communal cat trap.

    People so often say that young people today are irresponsible, and that they do not respect older folks. Well, this is a perfect example of why that is the case. I am glad the young man and his sibling are being taught proper behavior by their parents, but I think a letter to the specific individuals who lied to the kids is in order, as well. Nothing more need be said than the facts: these people lied to young children about a very important issue. They set a bad example, and have made the entire community look irresponsible and inhumane to the whole world. They should be ashamed, although I doubt they have the interpersonal skills to feel empathy or shame.

    I hope these children realize not all adults are so callous. And I hope the shelter worker finds another occupation, as she is clearly not good enough at her job to do it herself, let alone train others. She owes that family a letter of apology, not just in the local paper, but in person, addressed to the children and their father.

  • Katrina posted at 7:08 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Katrina Posts: 3

    "Feeling sick" about it just isn't enough -- it's not even a formal apology! There are no signs that this Ms. Smith has tried to reach out to the family that she and her crew wronged by murdering this little kid's pet.

    If Ms. Smith and her employee really feel at all bad, then they should tender their resignations, effective immediately. But no, I guess someone's life and a child's happiness is not worth the minor inconvenience of interrupting training, so why would they bother to resign.

    I was checking the internet, and it appears this event didn't happen in isolation. There appears to be an article about a dog that was put down that Smith had to respond to in a formal letter on their website. From these two incidents, if the second one is true, it appears that Smith should consider a job in a different line of work.

    Knowing thatcountless pets that have no voice are at the mercy of these alleged bunglers appalls me.

    I will pray for the child and his family, including Toothless. And I will pray for Smith and co that they see the light and leave the animal caregiving positions for which they do not appear particularly well suited.

  • kimkat posted at 7:03 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    kimkat Posts: 1

    This is soooo sad! If that happened to one of my babies I would see what I could do to sue this shelter who killed my cat!! :(

  • Xoyotl posted at 6:55 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Xoyotl Posts: 2

    Ignore Boogliodemus. He's one of those ACORN guys who is paid to go out and pretend he is an evil, uncaring republican to make republicans look bad and drive people away from them. His type is all over the internet, and they love to put on their act in the comment sections of stories the drudge report links to or places like the Blaze. Its all an act, and he gets paid to do it. He's like those guys they paid to go to tea party rallies and pretend they were racists, while the other paid people with them filmed it and then posted it online and pretended it wasn't staged.

  • Xoyotl posted at 6:49 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Xoyotl Posts: 2

    Boogliodemus , you've never worked in a shelter, or you'd know that is not how they do it. You're obviously one of those people the democrats pay to go around and act like a troll in a pathetic attempt to make their opponents look bad. Like those guys they paid to go to tea party rallies and pretend they were racists, while the people who went with them filmed it and then posted it online and pretended it was not all staged.

  • Jeb posted at 6:32 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Jeb Posts: 1

    This sickened me. She was too busy training. Training for what, how to kill caged animals. These are the same bureaucratic type of people who will be in charge of the death panels for our new Health care system. It's already started.

    "Sorry I forgot to write a note." That will be the same excuse they use when they pull the plug on granny.

  • minrkist posted at 6:00 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    minrkist Posts: 3

    I find humour in your repeated asking if people are in support of the president, in this case it occurs when you have been insulted. What I am unclear of is whether you are asking because you are drumming up support or it's meant to be an insult as in "Are you stupid?".

    What irks me is that the question should be phrased "Will you be voting for Obama?" half the voters voted for him in 2008 so technically they are Obama voters even if they do not vote for him in 2012 presidential election. Before you ask, I am not an Obama voter.

  • minrkist posted at 4:51 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    minrkist Posts: 3

    If you are reading these comments pay no mind to the insensitive comments, people that have not experienced the joy of having a pet fail to appreciate how they become an integral part of your family.
    my dog got too old and had to be put to sleep 5 years ago and I still am sad about it when I read stories like yours.

  • minrkist posted at 4:35 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    minrkist Posts: 3

    There is nothing to indicate that Boogliodemus is not an Obama voter.

  • kittypurry posted at 4:25 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    kittypurry Posts: 1

    Hi there boogliodemus, I feel like I could shed some light on this, I work with and help run a non-profit, non-kill kitten and cat rescue. Reading this saddens me on how ignorant most people are. If you have worked in any kind of animal shelter then you must not have been very educated in your job because this could have been avoided easily! The firs excuse I hear is "WE don't have the funding to stop killing!" okay ell it's not hard all you have to do is apply for non-profit licensing which is EASY trust me I did it. second thing you do is apply for state grants which is a bit harder but I found a lawyer who helped for free because they loved our mission statement. also fundraisers, donations ect.... so why boogliodemus are you still encouraging this?? also republicans support non-profits because they are considered small business sector... WHO'S THE OBAMA VOTER NOW!!?? also A LOT of shelters do not scan for microchips because they blame "lack of funding" on not having the if that's the case then tell me how this broke college kid has one for her NON-PROFIT she started herself... and any mean person who hates animals can remove a collar but barn cats are great and it's sad we are all restricted to making our pets stay inside I would suggest a fenced in area for your furry friends and that shelter director fired along with her staff replacing them with someone more qualified.

  • heatherfeather posted at 1:28 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    heatherfeather Posts: 1

    Ol' Forgetful at the shelter needs to get fired. The kid should remind Ol' Forgetful every year. Never forget.

  • Onetime posted at 1:07 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Onetime Posts: 4

    Boogliodemus - As a functioning human being I am saddened by this story. It reminds me of when I was younger and felt the great pain of losing a beloved cat named Blackie. I was 8 years old when that happened just like this poor boy. You might recall that when you were young your feelings affected you in a much more profound way because many experiences were brand new and you lived in the moment because you didn't have much of a past and the future seemed like a meaningless concept. As your life continued and you aged each happiness became a little less happy and likewise each sadness a little less sad. You gradually became jaded and created a barrier to protect yourself from the pain that comes with experiencing life. In order to keep up this barrier you have to be ever vigilant but it has become second nature to you. Unfortunately you can't hide from the pain without hiding from the happiness. Somewhere along the way you stopped truly feeling anything meaningful. Sure, you stub your toe, and you feel a momentary ache but that's just your nervous system and it's involuntary, you can't control that, and it fades just as quick as it came. Tonight you find yourself alone, literally and figuratively, staring at a screen and unknowingly you feel a twinge of jealously that some poor little 8 year old boy truly loved something and had his love returned. So you lash out at anyone that will pay you any attention, subconsciously trying to connect with something outside of you regardless of the quality or nature of the interaction. As sad as I felt when I lost Blackie over 20 years ago, and as sad as I feel for this little boy it is you that causes me the greatest sadness.

  • Joe Moe posted at 11:09 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Joe Moe Posts: 372

    "Animal hater" isn't fair, true. Use of that term in this context is probably an overreaction to the opposite viewpoint, that letting a cat out is abusive or neglectful or some such absurdity. And if a cat doesn't want to go out, then I think that's fine -- though I do wonder if maybe that only happens when they are conditioned that way, which might be considered unethical. I can condition my kids so they don't want to go out, either. They'd probably be neurotic, and certainly much less fulfilled, but they would be safer from illness and injury, that is certain.

    But a cat is a cat, and if someone insists on keeping it in, that's their business. But I get my hackles raised when people attack cat-owners that let their cats go out and be cats, chasing mice and climbing trees, etc., so long as they are fixed. There's more to life, whether for cat or human, than staying as safe as possible.

  • ApostolicIlx posted at 10:37 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ApostolicIlx Posts: 3

    You are full of it. ASPCA would have a field day with it. Them and their 1$billion dollars worth of lawyers.

  • RalphV posted at 10:37 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    RalphV Posts: 1

    Just wait until the government is in charge of your medical treatment.

    "Papers please. No papers?! Uh oh."

  • ApostolicIlx posted at 10:35 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ApostolicIlx Posts: 3

    Buy a clue Joe. I had to chase a cat out of the yard yesterday. No better than a raccoon. Took the trash can lid off and pulled garbage out. I saw the same cat later in a neighbors trash can. Now, if we were to shoot the cat, people would justifiably be pissed. But if we shot the owner, we'd be jailed. You're just another irresponsible twit. You awitin.

  • catwoman13618 posted at 10:26 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    catwoman13618 Posts: 5

    Hi Rayden,

    I am so very sorry to hear that not only did people lie to you but a big big mistake took your Toothless away from you. I have had to put a few of my kitties to sleep too but that was because it was in their best interest; they were sick and it couldnt be fixed. What that shelter worker did is inexcusable and she should be fired for it, and the employee that she was training, well I think she needs to be re-trained by someone who knows how to do their job the right way. What your neighbors did was also wrong and while people are saying sue and get revenge and all that, its not going to bring Toothless back and its just going to draw things out for your family. Please try to remember the good times you had with Toothless and while you will be sad for a while (Im still sad every once in a while for my boys) eventually you will be able to remember the good memories and smile about them. And you know what? When the time is right (and trust me you will know when), you and your family will get another kitty or maybe a doggie, and while that new pet may not be Toothless, they will love you just as much. A little word of advice fellow animal lover, when you do get a new kitty someday, keep them in the house so your evil neighbors cant do this all over again.

    And please ignore all the haters on this page who think that what happened to you is no big deal because he was just a cat, or that what the shelter did is no big deal because it was wrong and there are ways that stuff like this can be avoided if the shelters just want to wake up and pay attention.

    My heart goes out to you and your family. Big Hugs <3

  • posted at 10:25 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    All, the majority of the posts below, including the ones berating other posts, are from the same strange person. Who knows what they are trying to accomplish, but I feel like a schmoe for responding to them. I suggest you save your shots for something else. Goodnight, you weirdo. Have fund talking to yourself.

  • justajumpin posted at 10:25 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    justajumpin Posts: 2

    I'm so sorry for your loss Rayden. Cats feel like part of the family for the short time they are with us. Your story made me hug my kitty a little tighter tonight. I know it's really sad right now, but I'm sure you gave Toothless a happy life so be proud of that.

  • BellBoyPaul posted at 10:19 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    BellBoyPaul Posts: 1

    Toothless is with God,less the ones who killed him won't be so lucky

  • catwoman13618 posted at 10:12 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    catwoman13618 Posts: 5

    Bob, there is no such thing as 100% no kill no matter how hard a shelter tries. I have worked at a no kill facility and while it would be wonderful to be able to save them all, its just not possible. There are the too sick, too injured and the too aggressive that, while crappy for us, it is usually in the best interest of the animal. It is a quality over quantity issue. Hey great the animal may be alive but its suffering, so the only option for the sake of the animal is to release it from that suffering. I do not agree with murdering an animal because it has a cold, or a skin condition or anything that is treatable or when aggression is mistaken for poor training. I dont even agree with killing Leukemia and Aids positive cats, as they can lead normal lives for the most part. Generally no kill facilities are around 94-96% depending on the number of sick and injured that come through the doors.

  • catwoman13618 posted at 9:58 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    catwoman13618 Posts: 5

    wow...its apparent that you may also be a racist. No one uses the term gypsy anymore. Also, I think you need to find something better to do with your time than pelting animals with bb guns. For starters, Sea Gulls are federally protected and if you are caught there is a hefty fine. Second, your claim of toxoplasmosis...yeah thats only a potential danger to pregnant women who clean the litter box. which by the way I did while i was pregnant and not a single symptom. So you arrogant jerk TROLL ELSEWHERE AND GET OFF THIS KIDS ARTICLE!!!! I seriously hope you get nailed to the wall for your atrocities towards animals. I also hope they get the animal abusers database up and running and your added to it and never allowed near an animal again.

  • DeDeB posted at 9:55 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    DeDeB Posts: 2

    I used to, but the police dept took over and they won't allow volunteers now and after 5 days they put down the lost pets/animals. They don't even try to adopt them out. Even if there is plenty of room. It's a shame.

  • catwoman13618 posted at 9:54 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    catwoman13618 Posts: 5

    Dude stop being an a55hole. Comments like that are not necessary on a story like this. Troll elsewhere. This is about a little boys heartbreak over morons like you in a shelter environment. We are not blind to the atrocities in a shelter environment. I see it on facebook everyday as I advocate to stop the use of vicious machines such as the gas chamber and heartsticking as forms of euthanasia.

  • catwoman13618 posted at 9:50 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    catwoman13618 Posts: 5

    first off anyone who keeps their cats inside 100% of the time are not animal haters. its not confinement in the way that you are thinking. They wont get hit by cars, they arent exposed to disease or injury inside. They lead longer happier lives being kept safe and inside. Whereas outside, there is disease, injury etc. Keep in mind I am also an advocate for TNR. I have no problem with cat colonies etc. I also advocate spay and neuter, as well as no-kill. I see many stories like this where the shelter employees screw up and someones family member dies because of it. Or the dog or cat that had a rescue or adopter coming was killed anyways because the computer was down and they just kept killing anyways. So dont go calling us haters because we choose to keep out pets safe. I like many others allow my pets free reign over the house. They are happy healthy and have no interest in even going outside.

  • kloche posted at 9:21 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    kloche Posts: 1

    Thanks Boggerlicious for proving that while Obama voters are intelligent and compassionate individuals. Romney voters are ignorant, irrational, obnoxious a55hats.

  • Joe Moe posted at 9:14 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Joe Moe Posts: 372

    Some good comments, sedna, but for two things. First, your advocacy for confining an animal for life. They should be fixed so we can reduce the number of feral cats, and cats that have to be put down. But they should not be trapped in someone's house, involuntarily, for life. Second, your comment about them killing songbirds is irrelevant. Cats are part of the ecology, the hierarchy of nature. You can try to toy with it the food chain, but there are myriad examples of that backfiring. If we magically got rid of all outdoor cats (in reality even that extreme would save a very small percentage of the total songbird population), songbirds would still number about the same in the long run, because of other pressures (food supply in the local habitat would probably be the biggest factor). It's a nice sentiment, "save the songbirds," but it isn't a realistic factor in the cat conversation.

  • mdw posted at 9:13 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    mdw Posts: 2

    "So called worries..." ? So a cat trumps a son in harm's way and a wife with cancer? Is that what you're saying? Good lord, I pity you. Perhaps you are the one's who should get your priorities straight and start relating to humans as gushingly as you do fellow animal lovers.

    BTW: Hitler was a vegetarian, non smoker who made it a crime to harm an animal. I'm sure that took the edge off for the millions of Jews, Poles and countless other humans he slaughtered.

  • Joe Moe posted at 8:54 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Joe Moe Posts: 372

    You sound like an animal hater, advocating for a lifetime of forced confinement. It is selfishness. Safer, certainly. Better? No. Life is not about 100% safety (if it were even possible); life is about living. May as well never let your children get a driver license, because roads are dangerous, as never let a cat outside to climb a tree or chase a mouse.

  • Debby posted at 8:51 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Debby Posts: 2

    I tell them Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as a fairy tale, not as reality. Children have much more vivid imaginations than either of us have at the moment, and they choose to believe the stories because they still see good in everything in the world and believe in a sense of magic. Such commonplace notions of fantastical, exaggerated things allows them to connect to the world, understand the extremes of reality when they are prepared for reality. It also allows children to connect with each other as they learn how to communicate, giving them common ground to discuss. Fairy tales are akin to language, in away. We start our fist language as nonsensical babbles with a huge, huge range of sounds. Then we narrow it down as we begin to understand the language. We narrow down beliefs when we understand reality. I tell them truth when they ask for it, and believe me, they ask for it when they are READY. In this scenario, this little boy was not prepared. And don't you think telling a fable about Santa Claus and telling a kid you haven't seen his cat, when you turned it in yourself, are very, very different scenarios?

  • JZ posted at 8:40 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    JZ Posts: 1

    What a sad story for all involved. It's awful to hear that something so avoidable could have been stopped at so many points along the way. Regardless of how you feel about who might be "responsible", you have to admit that it's awfully sad to listen to a child have to deal with loss in such a deeply personal fashion. That being said, I think he did a great thing by telling his story so that others can learn from it.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 8:40 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    WOW... jbdean, have you been drinking or maybe something even stronger? The thought processes that had to be unleashed for your comment would seem to say a lot more about your mental health (or mental sickness, I would think) than it does about mine. Good Luck to you anyway. Don't get yourself so worked up over a difference of opinion. I certainly don't.

  • bob ballou posted at 8:37 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    bob ballou Posts: 5

    Have you ever lied to a kid and told him that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy exists?

  • bob ballou posted at 8:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    bob ballou Posts: 5

    Either it is no-kill, or it is not. Either it is 100% or it is not. 90% is not no-kill.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 8:31 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Myrtle, I believe every word you wrote. Yes, cats serve a function in this big wonderful world and it's a good thing, too. Just don't let them into your house and keep them in the barn where they can be of some utility. Toxoplasmosis is serious. Most cats are infected and they go on to infect their humans. Part of the life cycle of the parasite. Glad to hear that you aren't some tight lipped, white lipped, frothing at the mouth, Vegan, ambiguously gendered, Leftist, Crypto-Commie. Good Luck on your farm and I'm glad to hear that you and your family enjoy watching your cat hunt down the evil mice in the barn. The chances of one of those mice being some human's pet is nil. And even if it was, the mouse would deserve it because it wasn't on a leash.

  • bob ballou posted at 8:24 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    bob ballou Posts: 5

    Where did it come up that Boogli was a sodomite?

  • Shawninfl posted at 8:23 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Shawninfl Posts: 4

    I'm not going to bother with surfing the net to clue you in, so I'll just tell you to do it yourself. Just search pets and 55 gallon drums.

  • sedna posted at 8:22 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    sedna Posts: 2

    Some of the posts by Boogerlicious are obnoxious but true. A lost/abandoned animal is killed about every 10 seconds in American "shelters": it is a national shame that most animal lovers remain blissfully unaware of. This is one of many reasons to not ever allow any pet to run loose. When I realized that the average cat kills a songbird every day, my cats became indoor only friends.
    And any facility that kills unwanted or overstocked animals should NEVER be called a "Shelter". It's a dog (im)pound. And FYI, 13 states still allow death by gassing :-(
    Sadly, people who care deeply about animals cannot handle working at these places for long. The woman who forgot to save Toothless's life is about as good as it gets. How many of you, dear Readers, volunteer at your local "shelter"?

  • bob ballou posted at 8:20 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    bob ballou Posts: 5

    Figure it out. It takes real money to keep animals alive, not made up monopoly money. Duh ! Are you really that stupid? Well, you probably voted for Osama Obama ... and probably are.

  • bob ballou posted at 8:15 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    bob ballou Posts: 5

    How do you propose funding all these no-kill shelters?

  • sedna posted at 8:07 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    sedna Posts: 2

    That's just mean. Maybe you are the one who trapped their cat :-(

  • Roots posted at 8:06 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Roots Posts: 3911

    Betcha' that would go a long way for memory improvement.

  • Roots posted at 8:05 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Roots Posts: 3911

    What happened to you, B, to make you so mean and heartless? Or were you born that way?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 8:01 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Mo, Are you an Obama voter?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 8:00 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    rh, Are you an Obama voter?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 8:00 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    J, Are you an Obama voter?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:59 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Roy, Are you an Obama voter?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:59 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Dawn, Are you an Obama voter?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:58 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Faith, are you an Obama voter?

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:56 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    I be Sam's brother (one of them anyway!). I'm Guglielmo. Are you an Obama Voter?

  • SmarTeaPants posted at 7:55 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    SmarTeaPants Posts: 1

    HELTER SHELTER. Suppose the shelter lady ended up in a cage and we forgot to leave a note? Hmm.

  • Faith posted at 7:40 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Faith Posts: 1

    @Boogliodemus ... stop trolling around and find you a J.O.B !!! Seems like you have noting better to do !

  • jbdean posted at 7:38 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    jbdean Posts: 3

    You seem to hate everything ... including yourself.

  • jbdean posted at 7:36 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    jbdean Posts: 3

    Wow, you must have seriously been hurt/damaged as a child. What's the matter, hookers don't give you the warm fuzzies you got when daddy did it to you?

    If you can't show a child compassion, there is simply no hope for you.

    Do us all a favor and get a life ... and get out of ours!

  • jbdean posted at 7:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    jbdean Posts: 3

    CORRECTION: YOU "need to be eliminated. For the betterment of mankind." Sociopath!

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:32 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    This child should stick with goldfish until he shows more responsibility.

  • myrtle posted at 7:30 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    myrtle Posts: 1

    Let me see if I recall history correctly 1 of several reasons the black plague was so horrific was due to lack of cats-they were burned at the stake-so rats ran free with their flea carrying disease. I live in the country and have a cat that catches moles, mice and snakes-they are not worthless but very helpful. Our feed barn collects mice and we let our cat in there and he has a good time hunting the mice and we enjoy watching. Seems to me someone thinks they are smarter than they are and before u go off on me saying I am so hippie-sorry I am a good ole girl -a republican with a private education not a free govt education that turn out folks like you.

  • DeDeB posted at 7:25 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    DeDeB Posts: 2

    I have to agree with you Dawn. Was thinking the same thing.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:21 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    She clearly wrote that she said, "Oh Knowbig dog!", not "Oh NO big dog!".

  • Boogliodemus posted at 7:16 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    It appears that it is you who has the disgusting, filthy mind. I suggest you get some help.

  • Freese posted at 7:11 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Freese Posts: 2

    @Boogliodemus... Sam? Is that you?

  • ROYALTY84 posted at 7:06 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ROYALTY84 Posts: 5





    If you follow these rules- you will never experince the heartache of a lost pet.

  • ROYALTY84 posted at 7:03 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ROYALTY84 Posts: 5

    You need to be locked up with the rest of the sodomites.

    Something tells me you've already been there.

  • ROYALTY84 posted at 7:01 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ROYALTY84 Posts: 5

    That's where you belong- and it's where you'll end up with that mouth.

  • Dawn123 posted at 7:00 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Dawn123 Posts: 1

    You are a worthless piece of crap. Too bad someone didn't .....

  • ROYALTY84 posted at 7:00 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ROYALTY84 Posts: 5


  • ROYALTY84 posted at 6:59 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ROYALTY84 Posts: 5

    You really need to get laid...and judging from your comments- it's been about 25 years.

    Pets are NOT livestock- and juding from your demenor - you sound like someone who wasn't loved or hugged as a child- and I bet you were abused by an uncaring -unloving father or alchoholic mother.


    (I"ll bet 1,000.00 you've abused/killed animals before and you're showing your true colors)

    ONE WORD........KARMA.

  • posted at 6:46 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Yeah, and I've got a bridge in Florida I want to sell you. Hope you're having a good time.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 6:45 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Cremation is not possible? That would be very impractical and much too expensive. I used to work in an animal shelter and this is how it's done. The one I worked at kept strays for 5 days and owner drop-offs for 3 days. If the animal isn't adopted in that time they are put into a large tank like an oil drum but about 8 feet long and about 5 feet in diameter, on it's side. Their is a window so that the operator can observe to make certain the evolution is complete satisfactorally. Outside the building there is a large diesel generator, the air intake of which is routed to the now sealed drum which contains the cats or dogs to be euthanized. The generator is started and allowed to run until it stalls due to no air and this means there is also no air in the cat/dog containment tank. The tank is then left sealed for 5 minutes. After the five minute period the door is opened and the dead animals are moved to the back of a pickup and then transported to the dead animal pit at the local landfill. The tank is sprayed out with a hose to remove urine and fecal matter and it's then ready to be loaded with more animals. Usually 25 to 30 cats or 10 to 15 dogs at a time. They never mix the cats with the dogs of course as this would be animal cruelty. I suggest all of you pay a visit to your local animal shelter to really get an inkling of what they have to deal with. Quit living in your feel good fantasy world. Real life is not always as you imagine it to be.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 6:41 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Cremation. Are you serious? That would be very impractical and much too expensive. I used to work in an animal shelter and this is how it's done. The one I worked at kept strays for 5 days and owner drop-offs for 3 days. If the animal isn't adopted in that time they are put into a large tank like an oil drum but about 8 feet long and about 5 feet in diameter. Their is a window so that the operator can observe to make certain the evolution is complete satisactorally. Outside the building there is a large diesel generator, the air intake of which is routed to the now sealed drum which contains the cats or dogs to be euthanized. The generator is started and allowed to run until it stalls due to no air and this means there is also no air in the cat/dog containment tank. The tank is then left sealed for 5 minutes. After the five minute period the door is opened and the dead animals are moved to the back of a pickup and then transported to the dead animal pit at the local landfill. The tank is sprayed out with a hose to remove urine and fecal matter and it's then ready to be loaded with more animals. Usually 25 to 30 cats or 10 to 15 dogs at a time. They never mix the cats with the dogs of course as this would be animal cruelty. I suggest all of you pay a visit to your local animal shelter to really get an inkling of what they have to deal with. Quit living in your feel good fantasy world.

  • Davegas posted at 6:24 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Davegas Posts: 1

    I can't believe some of the insensitive comments here and yes, it makes me want to grab the throats of some of you insensitive coward pedophiles that remain anonymous. You would be the same people who would think nothing about killing my pet because it was a nuisance to you. You are the same people who would contact the ACLU to protest your right to give candy to kids on Halloween or protest the Pledge to the Flag in school because it contained the word God. I'm a grown man, 55 years old who can't stop crying after reading this kid's story because I've been there with my own kids a few times in my life. It's not pretty. You cruel insensitive morons who I would like to break both your kneecaps will never be moved by this story. These people at this shelter owe this kid something. No, not something material, they owe him a sincere conversation. Should I expect this from people who put animals to sleep. Probably not, but at best the city should make this a no kill shelter.

  • rh posted at 6:19 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    rh Posts: 2

    Unfortunately, what you say is true.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 6:18 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Thank God for the urban hunters who patrol our towns and the countryside with their pellet guns and BB guns, ridding our environment of at least one persistent pest, CATS. There should be a bounty on them. Starlings and seagulls also need to be eliminated. For the betterment of mankind. This whole thing is a put on anyway in the hopes of scamming some money from foolish people. You don't really think this dimwitted 8 yr old had anything to do with it do you? The father needs to ditch the earrings, shave the beard and get off welfare in order to be a productive member of society and quit giving his children lessons in how to bilk people out of their money with stories such as this. Samaza is a Gypsy name and they are living out their genetic profiles.

  • rh posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    rh Posts: 2

    Hey Boogliodemus,

    You said "Cats carry disease, (toxoplasmosis) and are basically worthless vermin. This story makes me think this kid needs a spanking. "

    Guess what Boogliodemus . . . it's YOU who needs a spanking.

  • The Morrigan's Pet posted at 6:08 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    The Morrigan's Pet Posts: 2

    So is yours, genius.

  • The Morrigan's Pet posted at 6:06 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    The Morrigan's Pet Posts: 2

    My, my. Just a wellspring of human compassion and sympathy, aren't you? You've probably done an excellent job of representing the other sphincters who turned the cat into animal control. Self-righteous bugwit.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 5:56 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Then you are a very weak person, Freese.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 5:54 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    If they waited that long there would be thousands of animals on pet death row. I suggest that YOU take a tour of the animal shelter and you would see what it's all about.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 5:51 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    That's a subjective opinion. For myself, I think it's a good thing as I hate cats.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 5:50 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    Who are you, the toothless toothfaerie? The cat is not in "kitty heaven", it's in the dead animal pit at the local landfill. Where it belongs.

  • Boogliodemus posted at 5:46 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Boogliodemus Posts: 20

    The sad part is that the parents and community are encouraging this kid to make this an important event in his life and to be self centered and feel sorry for himself. It's a cat, people. Pets are considered to be livestock. This could have been a good lesson for the kid to take better care of his cat, instead of encouraging him to wallow in self pity. There are a lot more important things in life than worrying about a stinking cat. Cats carry disease, (toxoplasmosis) and are basically worthless vermin. This story makes me think this kid needs a spanking. Get another cat if you can take better care of it. I would bet the pound where the cat got wasted kills hundreds of cats every week with no slowdown in sight. Was the kids cat spayed/neutered? If not, he is part of the problem.

  • Another Animal Lover posted at 5:43 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Another Animal Lover Posts: 1

    Rayden, I am sorry to tell you that in this world of grown ups, we kill animals that annoy us. We kill animals with are cars as the animals are stupid and we are in a hurry. Rayden In this world there is no room for other creatures so we can make room for more of the same and our material lives. But Rayden what can you expect from creatures that sometimes treat children worse then animals. But you are right to care for "toothless". Your love and caring may someday change the world the rest of us live in. Live you life speaking for those without a voice, including the un born.

  • godmothermia posted at 5:20 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    godmothermia Posts: 1

    I am sorry to hear about your kitty Toothless... The lady at the shelter forgot to leave a note so your kitty could go home to you and your brother. Toothless is in kitty heaven now and is sleeping in peace. Maybe your daddy can get you a little puppy. That you can keep in the house. I have 2 little fur kids Toby & Penny they are 4yrs & 11 yrs they are little fur kids. People call them Toy fur kids both have white fur and long white fur on their ears. Toby & Penny are very happy fur kids and love their home. They live out in the country so they are inside fur kids. Maybe daddy will get you a toy fur kid to love. It was nice writing to you Godmothermia

  • posted at 5:08 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    The shelter does not choose the time period, the city does.

  • posted at 5:07 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Karen, please help me with my math. The shelter can house something like 75 cats. They manage to adopt about 1/3rd of those, so there is a constant demand for 150 more homes than we have. CHS and 4-paws are fostering every where they can. Where would you put these other cats, and I mean today? Perhaps it is true that no-kill can be achieved, but not with the current birth rate in the valley. This is not California. And I am not sure how you will sleep tonight. Hundreds of animals may die now as a direct result of your PR onslaught.

  • posted at 5:03 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    There is no trade mark on the name Humane Society. I don't think the local group should have to answer for the "sins" of a group in Cali, Mr. first time poster # 52.

    HJNews, you have a wack job on the lose dragging the name of a bunch of hard working dedicated folks through the mud for sport. I'd kill this thread.

  • posted at 5:01 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    They made a misstep about a month ago. Is that a history? They've only been around a few years. Mr. First time poster #49.

  • Pat in Michigan posted at 5:01 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Pat in Michigan Posts: 1

    So Sad. :-(

  • Daithi posted at 5:00 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Daithi Posts: 1

    Dear Rayden,

    I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. Sometimes adults screw up, and it is really awful when it affects kids like you and your brother. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive them for making such a bad mistake.

    Maybe your parents will find you another kitty or puppy to welcome into your family. It won't be toothless, but it might help ease the ache in your heart. There are so many little kittens and puppies that need kids to help look after them that I hope you'll be willing to love another pet nearly as much as you loved toothless. I'm betting any pet would be quite lucky to have you as its boy.

  • posted at 4:59 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Those organizations were putting a band aid on a gaping wound and not tackling the problem of homeless pets, Mr. first time poster % 48 here.

  • Pocacahontas posted at 4:35 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Pocacahontas Posts: 3

    Yes, indeed. And the father shouldn't have left without making sure such a note was posted.

  • Sarahes posted at 4:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Sarahes Posts: 1

    This particular shelter has a history of problems and mis-steps. A shelter is supposed to be a safe haven for animals. I am disgusted that so many "shelters" operate exactly opposite. Let's hope that Toothless didn't die in vain and that the Cache Valley Animal Shelter will begin to rethink their policies.

  • Pocacahontas posted at 4:33 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Pocacahontas Posts: 3

    Of course Brenda Smith has something to do with what happened, unless I'm misunderstanding that the director of the organization is the head honcho?

    If people who report to you don't do what they should do, you get burned for it. You get to take credit for what they do right. It's only fair that you are held accountable for what they do wrong.

    Remember Harry Truman's "The buck stops here" sign? There was a reason he had that.

  • Mogumbo_Gono posted at 4:32 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Mogumbo_Gono Posts: 1

    The Humane Society of Silicon Valley, in Northern California has made similar errors. I worked there as a volunteer for many years. A new Director was hired, and now they euthanize young, healthy, house-trained animals for CONVENIENCE, even though they claim they are a no-kill shelter.

    The new Director has those animals killed so she can raise the adoption numbers (some animals are not as adoptable as others). It's her bean-counter mentality. I quit because of the cold-hearted euthanizing. (The Director denies it, BTW. But I have seen the killing-for-quotas first hand).

  • ELLA FUNT posted at 4:27 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ELLA FUNT Posts: 1

    The shelter should explain to the boy how the lady made a grave mistake and how it would be rectified not to happen again. They should also offer the boy a tour of the shelter and allow him to choose a pet t take home, if he wishes, at no charge. WHY ARE ANIMALS PUT TO DEATH SO QUICKLY ANYWAY??? -- Can't there be a few weeks waiting period to see if an animal is claimed OR adopted???

  • Pocacahontas posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Pocacahontas Posts: 3

    Sounds to me as if Brenda Smith is running an abbatoir, not a shelter.

    The cat was picked up on Friday and killed the following Wednesday morning? Don't tell me that's humane or that the cat was euthanized. The cat was killed. It's not "passed away": it's dead.

    As for the "neighbors" who lied -- those aren't neighbors, they're merely people who live nearby.

  • peterkuck posted at 4:21 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    peterkuck Posts: 1

    It really isn't a "shelter" if it kills the cats or dogs in is supposed to be "sheltering".
    We need to return to the true meaning of the words we use.
    I will freely admit that I am involved with the rescue of Siamese cats, having forsted over a dozen of them in the past two years and in those cases were i could not take other cats I have worked with other organizations such as Protectors of animals & purr feline friends in Connecticut, true shelters for those who have been lost or abandoned.
    Ther organization responsible in this case was not a "shelter" by any definition of the word.

  • orion posted at 3:56 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    orion Posts: 5040

    Mr. 1st-Time Poster:
    Your illiteracy perfectly reflects the Neanderthal mindset of your wording.

    Take your threats and go back and hide in your dark, dark cave.

  • Freese posted at 3:54 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Freese Posts: 2

    When I was a child living in Utah our next door neighbor (the Elders Quorum President) killed our family's cat. His wife admitted it to my mother. Sorry, I really don't want to offend anyone but this actually happened to me. Although I was just a child the incident was never forgotten and was the deciding factor on where I would live or who I would believe as an adult.

  • orion posted at 3:50 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    orion Posts: 5040

    One would think there is a full moon out.
    There certainly are some bat-spit-crazies out today.

    Reminds me of the avalanche of see-no-slums-in-Jamaica bizarros that suddenly found their way to the HJ when their Garden of Eden was dinged.

    I consider myself an animal-rights advocate with a passel of adopted critters in my home. However, this collection of wackos is bewildering.

  • posted at 3:33 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    You can strive, but you can't get there from here in a day. I agree that no-kill ought to be the aim. The best we can hope for at this point is to try to place animals we can and sterilize as many as possible. This is an uphill battle in a farming community where cats breed in barns all over.

  • artemis133 posted at 3:31 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    artemis133 Posts: 1

    Rayden, I'm SO sorry about what happened to Toothless! I have 2 kitties of my own, and they are such good company. I've also lost some from sickness or old age. I'm so, so sorry. Those neighbors aren't good people. They should be held responsible for what happened to Toothless!

  • Karen F posted at 3:25 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Karen F Posts: 2

    I agree. "Oops-killings" happen all over the country. From Everett, Washington, earlier this year:

    No matter where we live, our pets should never have their lives put at risk in the shelters that are supposed to protect them.

  • Karen F posted at 3:18 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Karen F Posts: 2

    This is incorrect. There are numerous open-admission shelters that are No Kill -- that is, they achieve a minimum 90% save rate for all the animals in the shelter, not just those deemed "adoptable" by the shelter director, despite being open-admission.

    For those new to this issue, I recommend following the No-Kill Communities blog, where you can read about the open-admission shelters that have achieved the No Kill standard:

    The claims by traditionalists that open-admission facilities cannot be No Kill, or that No Kill requires hoarding, have been debunked time and time again. No Kill sheltering requires implementation of the No Kill Equation, a suite of modern sheltering methods that has proved successful in a variety of states and many types of communities.

    Other resources to learn more about the No Kill movement:

    -- Redemption, by Nathan Winograd

    The No Kill movement is substantial and getting bigger and more successful every year. The No Kill Conference, put on every summer by the No Kill Advocacy Center in partnership with other organizations, drew only two dozen attendees in its first year, 2005. This year, almost 900 people attended. Those who disagree notwithstanding, No Kill represents the raising of community standards for animal shelters, and that is a permanent phenomenon.

  • EvieK posted at 3:08 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    EvieK Posts: 2

    The people who oppose no-kill always use the same tired excuses and about the shelter getting too full or the animals getting sick. There are over 50 no kill communities in the country that are successful. How anyone could call themself an animal lover and not want to strive for less killing of animals and higher foster and adoption rates is beyond me.

  • rtaylor174 posted at 3:07 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    rtaylor174 Posts: 1

    Quite sad.

  • posted at 2:59 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Anyone else notice that the nutty comments are almost all from 1 time posters? I think some angry person who has an axe to grind is having a field day.

  • posted at 2:58 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Molli and 02000, CHS are not public servants. It is a non-profit, not a governmental agency. Please, consider learning the facts.

  • Huuf Arted posted at 2:48 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Huuf Arted Posts: 1

    If someone killed my pet or got it killed like those crappy neighbors I would want (and get) payback in the gravest manner and i swear they wouldnt ever do it again...

  • orion posted at 2:47 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    orion Posts: 5040

    We? We?
    You have a mouse in your pocket?

    Anyone who would have a person who had absolutely nothing to do with the entire episode lose her job and livelihood needs a reality check on the consequences of words spoken and actuality of such action.

    "Typical bureaucratic organization"?
    ...and you are in a position to know what the CHS offered or didn't offer????

    The 'simple fact of the matter' seems to be that you are pretty presumptuous speaking for a lot of people around here.

  • STV posted at 2:46 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    STV Posts: 1

    "We should not try to use their 'natural instinct' as an excuse to not protect them from the unnatural environment we place them in."

    THANK YOU! Thank you thank you thank you. If it were as simple as just letting them out to roam the yard or whatever, it'd be different. But when left to climb, jump, run, dig or worse through others' property or on roadways, terrible incidents like this are bound to happen.

  • posted at 2:39 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Another way to look at the difference that I hope both side would see as fair.

    No-kill folks focus on the good of individual animals.

    Open door folks are focused on the good of the community of animals by most efficiently applying the resources available to save as many animal lives as possible.

  • posted at 2:37 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    Wow, someone must have taken a computer to the inmates of an asylum today. I've never seen anything like this here.

    As for "no kill" and "open door", here are the options. We could all go 'no kill", and we'd exceed capacity in about a week. Then we can keep taking in animals into unsafe conditions and let them die of desease and starvation, or simply stop taking them. Then they die in the street, but probably not before reproducing. Or we can admit that there are more animals in the valley than can be housed, and try to spay/neuter and place as many as possible, and, unfortunately, euthanize the rest. I think the braver people involved in animal rescue take this point of view. No-kill is in someways the easy way out taken by unrealistic people. I have been to several places in the valley where some well-meaning no-kill type is housing literally dozens of sick animals. This is not a solution.

    I appreciate the work of no-kill shelters. I do not appreciate their smug and superior attitude and their stone throwing.

    No-kill is not a solution, at least not for Cache Valley right now. It is closing your eyes and hoping you do not see the full extent of the problem.

    And, most of all, I am really stinking happy I am not involved in this stuff anymore. As is plainly evident here, there are thousands of nut jobs in this valley waiting to take a swing at you. People involved in CHS and other rescues have a very difficult job. I hope they keep it up. I've seen enough.

  • ibcbanker posted at 2:30 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ibcbanker Posts: 2

    Couldn't agree more. Sounds like you have understandably more important things to do MDW than reading this post. It would probably be best if you saved your posts for more appropriate issues to you.

  • ibcbanker posted at 2:26 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ibcbanker Posts: 2

    "I hope that you will either keep your cat inside (which is the safest thing to do, but which most cats hate."

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Rayden and Family, I've been owned by a cat from the time I could walk. Early in my life we had indoor/outdoor cats. They were wonderful kitties, but we had kitties who disappeared and we never found them, some who came home hurt, things that made me really sad....
    For the past 20 or so years, we've had indoor cats. They LOVE spending time inside with you, playing with you and becoming even more a member of your family. If you get a new kitty - and I hope you will - please think about having them be an indoor kitty. No fleas, no ear mites, no big bad dogs chasing them, or mean neighbors putting them in a cage. Give them a fun cat tree to climb, a big window to look out and play time with you and they will be there every day to play and sleep with you and your little brother.

  • EvieK posted at 2:21 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    EvieK Posts: 2

    An eerily similar situation just happened at the slaughterhouse that is New York City Animal Care &Control Control, except they killed a dog that had been lost. Family found the dog and told to come back later. When they got there she was dead & they offered to give them free creamation services! Shortly thereafter Julie Bank the shelter director "resigned" and other people involved were fired. I believe that family is pursuing legal action, just like they should. Pets are members of our families. These "shelters" rush to kill the animals because its easier than trying to find owners or new homes. Meanwhile there are successful no-kill communities all over the country with a fraction of the budget a place like NYCACC has. Its barbaric and needs to stop.

  • 02000 posted at 2:16 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    02000 Posts: 2

    One only has to go to the local DMV to see how true your words are. The problem is that over time, people just come to expect to wait in long lines and be abused by the people that are suppose to serve them. Think I'm wrong? Look at any of the Political Hacks that are there to represent us.

  • Debby posted at 2:15 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Debby Posts: 2

    Dear Rayden,

    I too learned not to lie as a kid, and then witnessing enough people lie to one another I adopted a policy of "blunt honesty." And so far into my life, it has kept liars away from me because liars are often ones who can't handle truth, whether it's a good or a bad truth. The truly good are few and and rare, and most adults find reasons to lie. But why would anyone want to surround themselves with liars anyway?

    I have also had many pets in my life that I considered part of the family, and I know what it is like when one goes missing. While I have not experienced your situation, I have had to euthanize pets before and it is the most heart-wrenching experience to go through. But to not be able to have the decision in the euthanization of any beloved pet is the absolute nightmare. It will be hard grieving for Toothless, especially when you came so close to getting him to come back home. But you have to remember, he still had a very, very happy life with you, even though this event tore him away from you. And he will always remain a part of you.

    While what your neighbors did was cruel, and forgiveness of them is near impossible (the lying the reason why), do not assume that ALL adults lie. Many do, yes. They do it to protect their reputations. There are some adults who never get past an "I" "me" "mine" mentality and have no concerns about others, but some of those will try to still make themselves look good in society by putting up a false image. But there are some of us who will never lie, no matter how embarrassing or humiliating the actual truth is. We're the ones that fight liars and fight dishonesty, and if you adopt such a policy, you will find that only the good and honest people will stick by your side. The trick is to not let your anger or grief mix with the speaking of truth, and to always speak the truth with reason.

    When you are ready, I would go to those neighbors, and not out of anger, nor out of grief, I would confront them with a simple question: "Why?" They probably will have no nice answer, or even an answer at all. Neighbors who would lie about a child's pet probably have the "I" "me" "mine" mentality that doesn't let them see how their hurting others with their own beliefs on pets. But they will feel the impact of the situation, and that is the best way to deal with liars. Confront them. You've seen how good people confront bad people in movies? How level headed they remain? How they always ask for the truth with reason? While others are recommending suing, or hating the neighbors, both are not good options. The first will only result in a fury of anger from the neighbors and a long cumbersome process that will not bring your beloved Toothless back, and the latter will only poison your view of the world into believing everyone is a liar when there are those who are not. But do not take my advice word for word. This is still something you need to sit down and think about yourself, for the only way you can move on from this is by following what your heart screams.

    Take your time with your grief, and when you're ready, make a decision about how to move on. Remember, you know Toothless loved you, just as much as you love him. Your grief and loss of faith in adults at the moment is proof of that. But you CAN take Toothless's love and memories, and carry it on with you. YOU can still work to make the world a better place with that love, even while the world is still full of people who never had the decency to tell the truth.

  • 02000 posted at 2:12 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    02000 Posts: 2

    And based on your comments, we readers also prefer the company of the weasels over you. The simple fact of the matter is that the Cache Humane Society is a typical bureaucratic organization. Now one would think they would at least refund the family's fee that the city collected and Give them another kitten for free. But don't hold your breath.

  • rugburner posted at 2:00 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    rugburner Posts: 1

    In the city you cant expect anyone else to care about what you love as much as you do. It's a shame but a fact of life. That's why my 2 kitties have always been indoor kitties. Only way to be sure they are safe.

  • catdefender posted at 1:57 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    catdefender Posts: 2

    I totally agree. Furthermore, how ironic that she was training someone! She could have been an example of how to do the job right if she had put the note on the cage immediately, instead she perpetuated the truth-is- I-don't-really-care-about-your-cat attitude that caused the tragic outcome of the kitty's happy life.

  • Poisant posted at 1:56 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Poisant Posts: 1

    Yikes!! This is sad because I'm an animal lover who has both cats and a dog that are part of our family. I particularly like black cats and just had one pass away on my birthday. :(

    The neighbors were very wrong and hateful. Who does that to children? If that happened to my kids, trust me....I would be down at the neighbors house knocking on their door. I might be small, but I have a mouth the size of Texas.
    Yes, they did steal the cat, but I don't know about suing. I figure karma will help out on this one.

  • orion posted at 1:45 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

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    Sue the neighbors?
    Sue CHS?
    Fire Brenda Smith?

    Are you people nuts?

    Some of you people posting today are crazier than a sack of rabid weasels.
    I actually prefer the company of the weasels.

  • Cosmic Zamboni posted at 1:32 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Cosmic Zamboni Posts: 1

    Dear Rayden,

    I'm sorry about toothless. The shelters should allow more time for people to find their pets. Neighbors should treat others the way they would want to be treated and not lie. Grownups make many mistakes. Some are small, and some are very big like this one. I hope you will forgive the people who made such a big mistake and caused you such hurt. It's not that they deserve forgiveness, but it's so you don't carry hate and fear and anger around in your own heart. I hope God blesses you very soon with another wonderful pet you can love for many years to come. God bless,


  • MattTrey posted at 1:05 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    MattTrey Posts: 1

    Sue the neighbors. They STOLE your cat, knowing full well what was going to eventually happen to it; then they lied about it, hoping the shelter would euthanize and dispose of the cat before Rayden and his family figured out what happened.

    I am usually not in favor of lawsuits, but this story screams legal action. Make the neighbors pay.

  • megsi99 posted at 1:05 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

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    I'm so sorry for the loss of your cat. I can only image how heart-wrenching this must be for you and your family. This story broke my heart. I sincerely hope the pain of this loss will soon be replaced with all the wonderful memories you have of Toothless. And remember that you gave him a warm, loving home for many years. He was a lucky cat to have you as his owner.

  • catdefender posted at 1:03 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

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    Dear Father and Mother, I am sorry you are dealing with as many insensitive people here are you did at the shelter. You seem like kind and compassionate people, but I would be careful not to betray your son's feelings by defending the shelter worker's incompetency. If she really was an animal lover and recognized the immediacy of the situation, she would have put the note on the cage immediately or at least released the cat and asked for payment the next day. That would have been sensitive and human behaviour. Your son is also correct to point out that adults betrayed his trust by lying to him and therefore, he must be supported in that as well. He is furthermore correct that a pet is a friend and requires a proper goodbye and burial. A child is a lot wiser than most adults realize and this delicate realization in his life can leave him feeling scarred and bitter towards adults. I don't know any of you personally, but I am sure you are doing your best to deal with this situation. I wish you and your family a peaceful resolve and send a very big hug to your sons who lost their kitty friend.

  • edjuk8 posted at 1:01 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    edjuk8 Posts: 1

    Rayden, I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty, Toothless. We also have a black kitty named Toothless -- he looks just like Toothless on How to Train your Dragon. [smile] I know this is an awful life lesson to learn, especially because Toothless was your best buddy. I know you have some great memories so I hope that this is how you will remember your sweet kitty. My thoughts and prayers are with you, sweetie.

  • usagi336 posted at 12:29 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    usagi336 Posts: 1

    The worker could have stuck a note on the cage right there while the dad was watching. Why wait til later? If the worker was someone who really cares about animals and their owners, she would have done that.

  • avnrulz posted at 12:29 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    avnrulz Posts: 1

    I had a similar incident with our local ASPCA, who kept our cat without contacting us for a week, despite bringing pictures and checking several times. By the time we found him he was so sick and malnourished, we had to put him to sleep.

  • Molli Razor posted at 12:23 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Molli Razor Posts: 4

    But "orion" everyone lies... It's so common. It's the path to success. There are no punishments for lying. Even "perjury" is so rare that it's meaningless.

    You are correct. Instead of killing the kid's cat directly, it was indirectly killed by the "system".

    "We live in a state of anarchy enforced by bureaucrats."

  • Molli Razor posted at 12:19 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Molli Razor Posts: 4

    The reporter could check back in a year and I'll bet a latte that Brenda is not only still employed but has gotten a raise or promotion and has made more tragic mistakes.

    We changed from excellence to celebrating failure. (I hope you like it.)

  • Molli Razor posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Molli Razor Posts: 4

    I'm afraid so. Read the London Telegraph and Daily Mail on a routine basis. Unionized government health care is even worse than what we have now. (It only looks good if you THINK you're getting the money.)

  • Molli Razor posted at 12:13 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Molli Razor Posts: 4

    Servants make mistakes. "Public Servants" make lots of mistakes. Unfortunately, lots of people think that the way to "get things done" is to have "public servants" do them . But not only do "public servants" make mistakes, they have no real incentive to do things correctly.

    People get lazy, sloppy and do stupid things. In some places people can be fired or punished for being lazy, sloppy or stupid. In lots of other places, they can't. There are some people who think that expecting "good" or "excellent" performance is "mean". These people are not only wrong, but destructive to society in general.

    This is a very sad incident. But every day, sloppy nurses and hospital workers kill people. Every day, "public safety" personnel do bad things to people.

    The old saw is correct: "If you want something done right, do it yourself!" Servants, particularly unionized servants, are dangerous to people, children and other living things.

  • cherie posted at 11:40 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    cherie Posts: 1

    Euthanasia is the the terminology of a Mercy Killing,
    in context , it is used when someone is near Death,
    it is a controversial word, as in Humans, it is not allowed.
    In Animals it is allowed by a Veterinarian , in an Animal,
    that is close to Death and is suffering, and is carried out,
    by a Vet at that Vets discretion.
    Killing is a different usage of the same outcome,
    but Killing a Human or an Animal is by no means an
    allowed practice.
    Taminski, I don't understand your rational, the Beloved,
    Cat died, Toothless was a healthy Cat.

  • ella posted at 11:40 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ella Posts: 1

    Raydon, Toothless had a wonderful life with you and your family. I think maybe you could honor him, when you're ready, by adopting a kitty that needs a home in honor of Toothless. Maybe your school would let you do a special project in honor of Toothless...that might help other classmates who have lost pets, too, even through sickness and old-age. I know he will always be in your heart...remember and laugh about all the good times with him...and it's OK to cry and miss him, but try to laugh at the fun days more.

  • Neese posted at 11:37 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Neese Posts: 1

    Valerie, thanks for bringing up the fact that no-kill is possible and that killing shelter animals is not "a necessary evil."
    Rayden, I'm so deeply sorry that you lost your cat. It doesn't matter that he was outside, that he didn't have a microchip, that your parents couldn't track him down for several days, there is still no excuse for him being killed. I lived in Logan for 8 years (left in 2002) and at that time there was no shelter, so things have improved but clearly not enough.
    As for the neighbors who trapped him, they are despicable. They could have talked to Toothless' family if he was causing problems and tried to work something out, rather than basically stealing a child's pet and taking him to die. I hope they're ashamed of themselves.
    Cache County, get on the no-kill train so this never has to happen to another child.

  • Mobynowak posted at 11:33 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Mobynowak Posts: 1

    Very sad. Unfortunately we will be seeing more of these types of stories involving incompetence in our health care.

  • kraft posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    kraft Posts: 1

    It is bad enough that we have destroyed our country's currency, will leave our children with 16 trillion dollars in debt and no way to pay it back and have nationalized our health care so that our children will have to wait in line at government hospitals like in Canada or England.

    Must we also kill their pets and destroy what happiness they have left in the final years before their country turns into Greece, Cambodia or Rwanda?

  • lilallycat7 posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    lilallycat7 Posts: 1

    MDW, if you have so many problems of your own and cannot find the little time it takes to feel empathy for these small brothers loss of their beloved cat, why on earth are you reading their story and posting your rude and totally worthless comment to the story? Frankly, I feel no empathy for your self-centered comment and feel that these boys and their cat are more significant than your so-called worries. What a stupid comment, MDW.

  • resisttheNWO posted at 11:26 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

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  • resisttheNWO posted at 11:25 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    resisttheNWO Posts: 2

    wait, so the cat was only at the shelter for about 4-5 days? That is not long enough to have the animal euthanized.And the the worker screwed up and did not leave a "note".
    Ok kid, this is your chance to stand up for yourself and fight. Get a lawyer and sue them. You will will and teach them a lesson. Ask your parents to hire an attorney right now.

  • Captain Obvious posted at 11:22 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

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    I bet she really said "Oh NO"

  • God's Avenging Angel posted at 11:20 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    God's Avenging Angel Posts: 1

    Yes, Rayden, there is a God. He is all-powerful and all-knowing and he will exact awful retribution upon those who are evil, heartless, mendacious, craven and wicked. He has selected agents to perform his will on Earth. If you remain true, valiant and pure of spirit, He may one day select you to right the many wrongs you have so far suffered in your brief life. Take comfort in God, Rayden, and trust that someday you will grow into a strong, purposeful and righteous grown-up who will settle the accounts of the many who have hurt you.

  • Valerie posted at 11:15 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Valerie Posts: 1

    Rayden and Family, I am very sorry to hear about what happened to Toothless. I can tell that you loved him very much and there is no excuse for what the people at the so-called "shelter" did to him. That should never happen to any animal, whether they have a family to return to or are looking for a new family. Twelve years ago, I had a similar experience when the shelter I was volunteering at killed two kittens that I had fostered in my home for a month. They promised to call me so that I could take them back if they were in any danger, but they lied and killed them instead. It was horrible. Fortunately, a lot of other people in the community, and the other shelter volunteers also thought it was horrible, and we fought for change at the shelter. Less than one year after the killing of my kittens, it became the first No Kill community in the USA! Now the Tompkins County SPCA saves ALL of the healthy and treatable pets that come through its doors. You can read the story of how we did that here:

  • RockyJoeFlynn posted at 11:11 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    RockyJoeFlynn Posts: 1

    The only thing to fear on planet Earth are people.

  • Joe Moe posted at 11:02 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Joe Moe Posts: 372

    Taminski, regarding your last comment, I appreciate your effort to put a point on what happens when an animal is put down, but there is clearly a difference. The term "euthanized" speaks to the method and purpose, which is why the word was used here. You are not allowed to throw a word out of the lexicon because of your personal feelings about it. Unless you at actually asserting that the cat died due to malice, and/or in a brutal or painful way?

  • sadgrownup posted at 10:59 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    sadgrownup Posts: 1

    Rayden and Family

    It broke my heart when I read your story about Toothless. You obviously loved your kitty a lot and miss him a great deal. His completely unnecessary death was a real shame. I hope that, when you are ready, you will consider getting a new kitty, as there are millions that die needlessly in shelters and one of them would love to be your new companion.

    Since you now know that you have a neighbor that will not tolerate loose cats using his kids' sandbox as a litterbox (and any free-roaming cat will do that), I hope that you will either keep your cat inside (which is the safest thing to do, but which most cats hate) or get your kitty microchipped or put a collar with ID on him/her so that if your neighbor traps the new one, animal control or the humane society will know how to contact you and get your kitty back home.

    I think you did a very good thing by letting folks know how you feel. Obviously lots of people are upset by this and perhaps it will lead to better practices in shelters in the future.

  • Joe Moe posted at 10:57 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Joe Moe Posts: 372

    Miyako, forcing a cat to say in a house their whole life is animal cruelty (unless they choose to stay in voluntarily, which very few cats do, by nature). It amazes me how many cat "lovers" treat their cats like fish in a fish bowl, unnaturally confined. It is like a dog "lover" that keeps a dog in a kennel 95%+ of the time, or a parent that won't let their kid climb a tree or ride a bike, because its dangerous.

    They moslty love having a cat for their narrow purposes; I question the degree of love for the cat itself, or they would allow for its nature. I wrote about this earlier in the thread, so I'll stop here.

  • youbetcha posted at 10:53 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    youbetcha Posts: 1

    As adults, it is our quest to instill in child those traits we appreciate in others. This little boy has learned two lessons that child should. Firstly, that adults lie. Often for vindictive reasons. Often to lay the blame elsewhere. The people who trapped his cat denied their involvement for both. They didn't want the cat returning, nor did they want to be known as "those people who stole that kid's cat". Secondly, that adults are irresponsible. And often selfish. I would hope that as an employee humane shelter each animal that finds a home is a small victory. Yet what does it say about a person when a single note could have prevented it's death? Also, they had to pay an "impound fee", will that be returned to them? Perhaps the shelter could let them adopt a pet free of charge?

  • kno3 posted at 10:49 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    kno3 Posts: 1

    Wow, you don't want to know what I would have done to those neighbors for hurting my child like that. The whole town should shun them. They should be ashamed. Today while I was walking at the park with my dog I saw a woman who was facing me coming up the path yell back at her two little boys "Oh Know big dog!" The kids didn't look too afraid I told them "Don't be silly this dog won't bite anybody. That's just silly." The kids smiled and one of them shrugged. I don't care if I irritated the Mom because she was stupidly passing her fears onto to her children like a selfish B. so that they too will grow up to be dog and cat haters.

  • Neorev posted at 10:47 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Neorev Posts: 1

    And this article points to more great reasons of excessive gov't: catch the cat, sit on cat for few days in hopes of getting $$$ for it's return to owners, kill cat so we can make room for other cats to run this scheme.

  • ApostolicIlx posted at 10:45 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ApostolicIlx Posts: 3

    You are responsible for the death of Toothless. Period. You didn't control your animal. All the crying in the world won't bring him back. I feel terrible for your child. I don't feel much better for you. The fact they "forgot" to leave a message to keep your cat from being euthanized is pretty darn infuriating. But the ultimate responsibility is yours. Man up. Next cat, get a locator collar, tags, don't let the thing out of the yard.

  • mdw posted at 10:44 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    mdw Posts: 2

    On behalf of every grownup in the world...I'm so very very sorry about this little kitty....really, but...

    A few weeks ago a teenage girl T-boned my car after running a red light while text messaging her BFF. I do not blame or hold accountable all teenagers...just her and her idiot friend.

    Frankly, i have son in Afghanistan and a very ill wife and I have bigger, actually more significant, things to worry about than a cat.

  • Frog Prince posted at 10:37 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Frog Prince Posts: 1

    Brenda Smith of the Cache Humane Society needs to be fired, stupid people shouldn't be training other people or you'll just have more stupid people working for you, and GOD will have to find a special way of dealing with the poor kid's lying neighbors..........

    You cant lock up a cat or put it on a leash, it's a cat...........

    Now...........the best course of action of is to try and find a cat that looks and acts as close to that cat as you can possibly find..........and put a cat collar with an ID tag on it.........

  • Taminski posted at 10:18 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Taminski Posts: 1

    I'm shocked at the negativity in these responses. That is part of the problem. Everyone thinks "it was just a cat." In most places it isn't against the law for cats to be free roaming. So the comment about suing the guy for his cat coming into their yard is incorrect. It is too bad that the shelter worker didn't just give the man the cat. Would have solved the whole thing. But I'm sure there was paperwork to fill out, a fee to pay, and red tape to cut through. This is a very sad story. Oh, and the cat was killed it wasn't euthanized.

  • orion posted at 9:19 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    orion Posts: 5040

    A perfect storm of events that led to the euthanasia of a boy's cat.

    A cat roaming the neighborhood
    A lying-through-their-teeth neighbor
    Adult owners waiting too long and going too late to track the cat down
    A harried worker

    It is interesting more emphasis has not been put upon the neighbor who lied, Lied, LIED.

    That said, I have to repeat, what a perfect time to teach a young person that life is just not always fair.

    Not for anything young Rayden himself did or did not do. Lives of the innocent---be they people or animals---are indeed affected by the actions of others over whom we often have no control---be they intended or not.

    Guidance through sharp experiences help young people become survivors when life really get rough.

    ...and it does, doesn't it.

  • Difranco777 posted at 8:25 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Difranco777 Posts: 2

    Logan really isn't that small. When you put all of Cache Valley together, it is quite large. Bottom line this isn't a tiny town that you can blame the irresponsibility on. This is a big sized area and the animals just aren't a priority. The neighbors are sick for doing this, and the woman who forgot to do her JOB right, should be fired! This is a life we are talking about. To some cats/dogs are no big deal, but to many they are just as much a part of the family as any other member.

    This little boy will always remember this. And i hope he grows up to be an animal rights activist and changes the world.

  • Difranco777 posted at 8:21 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Difranco777 Posts: 2

    Clearly cats don't all stay indoors. Yes it is preferred to keep a cat indoors but since cats by nature like to go outside and it is not against the law the let a cat go outside.
    The bottom line here is the shelter messed up BIG TIME! There is absolutely NO excuse for this to have ever ever ever happened! First of all the cat should have been released to the owner right there and then. They have enough animals in the shelters as it is. You would think they would be happy to have one have a happy ending.
    She HAD to have known the cat was set up to be euthanized! How do you just "FORGET" to put in the proper paperwork to stop a death! Absolutely not acceptable. Bottom line this story makes me sick. This cat should be back at home with his family.
    The neighbors that trapped the cat are evil. Karma finds its way back around. I would never wish ill will on anyone, but i can tell you its not good ju ju to trap another persons animal, then LIE to them and say you haven't seen it and then it ends up dead. The neighbors are murders in my opinion.

  • posted at 7:45 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


    The shelter does not work for the city, so they can't fire them. They could not renew the contract to do impounds. In the past, impounds were done at several different vets in Cache Valley. Under that system, one would need to go to each of them to look for their animal. I don't think that system would have improved Toothless's chances given how busy his owners appear to be and seeing how vets keep similar hours to the shelter.

    Did CHS screw up? It appears so. But as I said earlier, if they were more concerned about their good name than the animals, they would have simply turned this guy away at the door. He was too late and that was his fault.Toothless would have met the same fate, and there would be no story in the paper.

  • so sad posted at 6:56 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    so sad Posts: 1

    This story brings tears to my eyes. The poor kitties are put to death really fast at overloaded facilities. And this little boy's cat was killed in error which makes it worse. The saddest part of all of this is that people still don't fix their cats to prevent pregnancies. There are so many homeless pets in our country that we could have an edict on births for years and still not adopt them all out to families. How about developing a low cost sterilization method for animals instead of low cost euthanization?

  • mom2joshcanpark posted at 3:38 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    mom2joshcanpark Posts: 1

    I am so sorry for what happened to Toothless. No words can describe your pain I now, my son at age 12 had the same thing happen to him. If you want to make a difference have your parents lobby to get that shelter to be a no kill shelter and help us stop grown up from killing animals instead of keeping families together.

    Here is our story, we are fighting for the justice of our cats too, we want new laws to prevent this.

  • Runie124 posted at 12:32 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Runie124 Posts: 1

    The city should fire the shelter's staff for this and hire all new people. Follow-through is what makes solid operations function.

  • LiberalEcon posted at 12:00 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    LiberalEcon Posts: 2

    Ashes in a bag. In old Ashes will do, seeing how every other adult has either abdicated their responsibility or just flat out lied in this situation.

  • LiberalEcon posted at 11:57 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LiberalEcon Posts: 2

    Y? What are you going to do about it, if he doesn't? Are you going to trap his next cat prowling around in the countryside, hand it over to an animal shelter and lie about it when the boy shows up at your door looking for it?

  • LoganWolf posted at 11:43 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    Suing only makes the lawyers rich. No one else wins.

    Besides that, what are they going to do when the neighbor counter-sues for their animal trespassing on their property and pooping in their sandbox (from the AP article)? That's a health hazard to a young child right there.

    No, the only real thing that can be done here is to grieve, move on, learn, and improve the processes at the shelter.

  • gonzo67 posted at 11:21 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    gonzo67 Posts: 1

    The first mistake was made when the neighbors lied (I would consider legal action against them, myself) about not seeing the cat.

    The next mistake was the shelter killing the cat.

  • dude8140 posted at 11:20 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    dude8140 Posts: 5

    Rayden and Father, after all the adults here finish blaming this or that, digging at each other and just making butts of themselves, Toothless is gone and that's a real shame for you and your family. Know that you touched a lot of people by having your grandpa (PaPa) write down your story and posting it..takes a lot of courage to write what we feel and question why things happen. You'll own another cat or a dog that will be very lucky to have you and your brother and your family as owners and you'll know something'll know it's ok to say what you feel and make sure people hear what you have to say as you grow up.
    I know you will feel sad and think of Toothless as a kitty you had a chance to know, just like he got to know you, too. Give that same love to the next animal you own and keep being just the same person you are now.

  • LoganWolf posted at 11:19 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    I'm not blaming the 8 year old. It's not Rayden's responsibility. It's his parents. And they have taken responsibility, based on the news.

    It's good that they went around and tried to find Toothless. When that failed their parents should have immediately called animal control and the shelter to report it missing. They waited too long, and then the shelter worker made a mistake not putting a note down. It's all unfortunate. It's a series of bad decisions on the part of everyone involved in this. The parents understand that they are at least partially at-fault in this.

    But the bottom line is still this: the animal ended up there because it was an issue for that neighbor. He did the right thing by trapping it, and the wrong thing by not telling Rayden. I hope he feels bad for it now. This all would have been avoided if it hadn't been left to run loose in the neighborhood. That's the root of the problem.

  • electriclady281 posted at 11:09 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    electriclady281 Posts: 1

    Hi Rayden,

    I am so sorry about what happened to Toothless, and especially about your neighbor's lie. I was taught not to lie when I was a little girl, and it sounds like you learned that from your parents too. I am an old lady now, and I still don't understand how so many adults lie every day and our society seems indifferent to it. Shaming and shunning these people seem to be the only options, but then liars seem not to have any shame. Suing may be an option, where possible, but it's likely to prove expensive.

    I have had at least one cat ever since I left home, where we had no pets because my mother did not want a dog and my father hated cats--pity him. My cats have always had the option to be in or out. I understand that they may encounter danger that I cannot protect them from in the outdoors, but not allowing them to go out, I think, is like keeping them jailed, and even if that is supposed to protect them, I think it is unfair. Cats need to be free (and so do humans!). I don't consider myself an "owner" of any cat; mine have always been family members.

    Even if you bring a cat to your home, they will only stay if they find it agreeable, then a sort of contract is formed: they will stay and love you in exchange for food and shelter, but not imprisonment. Besides, it is extremely hard to keep a cat indoors intentionally, as most cat lovers know.

    Going out of doors is always a risk for both cats (and dogs) and people. It's a risk most people accept.

    None of this brings brings Toothless back. I wish it could, and I know that his loss hurts--a lot. I'm so proud of you for your letter. I'm also sorry that some adults have not yet learned the pain that they can cause with their thoughtles, cruel, and indefensible lies.

  • posted at 11:07 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.



  • dude8140 posted at 11:04 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    dude8140 Posts: 5

    Agreed Lilly2.. and my name is wayne gil from Everett WA outside Seattle.. we have 2 cats, one an abandoned cat we're slowly introducing to being inside more than out, but who is very healthy (now that he's eating daily with us) and allowed to be the nocturnal animal he is, climbing trees, sleeping in the sun on the grass, catching mice like a super-hero, sometimes coming in soaking wet when it's raining like crazy, sleeping inside during the day because it's safer and it's dark in the areas he finds to hide. Very healthy indoor/outdoor cat, we have him chipped like the other in/out cat we have that is more a homebody with us but was abandoned as a kitten.. letting them live their lives as they were meant to is a lot healthier than tying them or caging them as some people do. First two rescue cats I've ever owned, had dogs from the pound before all my life. Lots to learn about them but one is, try to treat them as some suggest in their posts and they'd just run off to find life elsewhere where they can be cats. Takes some time to learn what they need and want. They are smart as whips.. the only real problem I see is with people who dislike or abuse animals. Other than this, happy cats.
    Sorry for Rayden to have to learn about adults and how they really are at such an early age. At least he shows compassion that seems to be missing from some adults in this comments section.
    Thanks for your post Lilly2

  • Miyako posted at 10:56 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Miyako Posts: 1

    That is why it is important to keep your cat indoors.

  • dude8140 posted at 10:52 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    dude8140 Posts: 5

    'But your cat was trespassing, and that's illegal.' -
    'So we can't lay the blame where it justly lies (with the owner for letting this situation happen)' - the owner you refer to is an 8 yr old boy. -

    ...I take it you're an adult...get a grip

  • dude8140 posted at 10:48 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    dude8140 Posts: 5

    to FATHER: right on....

  • dude8140 posted at 10:45 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    dude8140 Posts: 5

    to LoganWolf: why don't you just come out and blame the kid for causing everybody this problem and getting his cat killed because the kitten was 'trespassing'. Are you kidding me? You can't read into what is really being written with blaming an 8 yr old heartbroken over a pet they DID try to find...but had adults at every step in the process fail him and his trying to bring a family member (yes, a family member who likes to run around in the dark like cats do).
    Get a grip and realize this is an 8yr old who is learning a heavy-handed lesson here as it is without being blamed for causing it.

  • LoganWolf posted at 10:33 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    Usually I would go with a crematory furnace, as it's the most efficient and safe with regards to any animals that may be diseased. I don't know exactly in their case, but I know they don't have 55 gallon drums in the back with a bunch of dead animals in them. They'd get shut down in an instant for that.

    And if it was a furnace, how do you expect them to give the cat back?

  • melseattle posted at 10:05 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    melseattle Posts: 1

    Hi Rayden, I am so sorry to hear about your cat. I read your story this evening and could not help but cry for your loss. This really is such a sad story and adults should learn from you sharing your story.
    I have worked for a shelter before and I know first hand that many people that work there are volunteerers and care very much for animals and their relationships with owners. That being said, the way this was handled is clearly wrong and processes need to be reviewed so that something like this never happens again.

    Secondly, adults should not lie - you are correct. Karma is something that will come to them.

    Kitties really are such wonderful creatures and I hope that someday when you are ready, you can get another animal to welcome into your life. Two years ago I selected two sister kitties from the shelter and they really are a blessing in my life. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that I am so sorry to hear about what happened to you and your family.

  • Shawninfl posted at 10:05 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Shawninfl Posts: 4

    I'm curious. Do you think they take peoples pets and bury them in a pet cemetary? :How do YOU think they dispose of the bodies?

  • Breit posted at 9:42 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Breit Posts: 863

    So the kitty was killed because a note was not written. I wonder if a missed note would cut it in Stranger's class as a valid excuse.

  • LoganWolf posted at 9:36 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    The biggest problem is money and finding people who want to foster. CHS does have a foster program, and they usually are responsible for really young kittens that come in (still need bottle fed). A bigger building would cost at least a million dollars for the size and capabilities that they need, and that would include a lot of in-kind donations, too. Being a smaller town that Logan is, there just aren't the resources. And then when a story like this hits, because a mistake was made after-hours, and it gets picked up by the Associated Press, they lose funding. Big time. Funding they can't afford to lose. But if they weren't there, all of the animals at the shelter would just be let loose, or people would start taking matters into their own hands and putting out poison. That's where this county was 4 years ago. It's a whole lot better now than it was, but there's still plenty of improvement that can be made, for sure. I've already heard from some that work there that they're getting hate mail from all over the country now, too. It's not making anyone feel better.

  • sharonkateri posted at 9:33 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    sharonkateri Posts: 3

    And let me just add - and I know I'm not alone in this respect - it has been an absolutely awful year. Besides losing my Tessa, I've lost several relatives (most notably my uncle, who was more like a brother to me - he'd just turned 56 yrs old, and was found dead in his home by his 17-yr old daughter), and a number of friends; work sucks (and I'm worried about my job), and my health has taken a downturn. But these two little babies bring such peace and joy into my otherwise miserable existence.

    (Just wanna give them the credit they deserve, for giving me a reason to get up and keep going!)

  • sharonkateri posted at 9:16 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    sharonkateri Posts: 3

    Logan, I do understand that shelters have limited space and all that. Just have trouble understanding why more don't foster, why bigger shelters aren't built, stuff like that. How so many perfectly good pets can end up "gone". My two 5 yr olds here - "sheltered" for 10 days in Staten Island (yeah, I'm in NY...not the city, but about an hour north...). Every time I get a nuzzle from Trouble, or a purr out of Suzie - it breaks my heart to think how close they came...all because someone deemed that they would be unadoptable, after only 10 days of trying. Now I loved Tessa and she gave me lots of love, too (got her from our local Humane Society) - with these's just incredible! (And mind you, I have severe sleep apnea and use a BiPap at night - and it can be rather hard to breathe with a 16-lb boy sitting squarely on your chest, staring you down for either food or attention! ;) )

  • LoganWolf posted at 9:11 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    Where are these 55 gallon drums that you speak of? Do you have proof of that? Because if you do, the ASPCA, the state veterinary board, and the federal government would love to have it. Or are you just blowing smoke and trying to stir up more trouble? I'm guessing the latter. Maybe that's how they do things in Florida, but it isn't here.

  • keepthemsafe posted at 9:09 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    keepthemsafe Posts: 2

    House cats were not feral animals. They are a domesticated animal that is only becoming part of the wild animal kingdom as feral cats because of people letting pets go wild. Just do a little research on all the people who want to do away with TNR programs and kill all feral cats because they are not natural to the environment.

    Sorry, someone who has an excuse that their cats collar breaks off and has no identification while they let them roam gets no breaks from me. We've hauled a neighborhood cat home 5 times out of our yard. He makes a beeline for our house because he likes the bed he got to sleep in the first time we caught him (so much for the theory that he likes to go out because its instinct to go outside). As soon as the pounds are not so busy, he is not going home. He can go up for adoption to a family who will keep him safe.

  • LoganWolf posted at 8:58 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    It seems like you have two wonderful cats to keep you company. I have three of my own, and they're usually keeping me warm on winter nights (they keep me hot on summer nights, but that's another story) :)

    Cats don't take up a lot of space, but they still take up some space. The shelter isn't exactly huge. There are also a lot of cats that don't like other cats, so you can't stick them near each other or one of them will end up injured. It also becomes a matter of disease control. When you stuff a lot of animals in a small place, the stress weakens their immune system and they ALL get sick. There have been stories of entire shelters having to be euthanized because of a contagious viral outbreak.

    I don't like the concept of euthanasia any more than the next person. But it's a necessary evil. The humane society gets hundreds and hundreds of cats each year, mostly from ferals having litters that then grow up and have MORE litters. If they could find a home for every one of their cats in a timely manner they would LOVE to. They'd have more money to expand, people would have cats they love, and they wouldn't have to clean or feed them all. If they had a bigger building and more staff they could house more cats, too, and they would.

    But then there are animals that come in already diseased, or injured, or are so wild they can't be handled. I don't want an animal like that to have to suffer in a cramped cage for the rest of its life, because it won't get adopted if it has those problems. That's even more sad.

  • Shawninfl posted at 8:57 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Shawninfl Posts: 4

    And on another note, to the shelter that euthanized the childs cat, the very LEAST that could be done is that you get your butts into the back room and dig the poor expired cat out of the 55 gallon drums that you are shipping out for disposal, so that poor child can have a closure. That you didn't do it - shame on you. Think about how you would feel if it happened to our child!

  • keepthemsafe posted at 8:55 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    keepthemsafe Posts: 2

    And as a cat lover, I find it amazing how many "cat owners" find it acceptable to place cats in harms way to "keep them happy". Sure our cats go out, only supervised, in harnesses until they are trained to stay in the yard and then still only when we are able to be out there with them. Clearly you as a "cat owner" do not understand a cat at all if you think they are happier under the tire of a car than laying on a couch.

    This story is a very tragic line of poor choices and mistakes by adults. All of which never would have taken place had the first step not happened, allowing a pet to roam unsupervised. The CHS would have never had the opportunity to screw up had the first error in judgement not been made.

    Just as people do not allow their children to run unchecked into danger, they shouldn't let their pets either. We are their guardians. We bring them into our cities and towns with unsafe environments that are not natural to them. We should not try to use their "natural instinct" as an excuse to not protect them from the unnatural environment we place them in.

  • sharonkateri posted at 8:29 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    sharonkateri Posts: 3

    Rayden, I am so sorry for your loss. I had to put my little black cat Tessa down last January, due to sudden illness. I know your pain, young man.

    There are many shelters across the country that take in a LOT of unwanted cats of all ages - from kittens to old cats. Many times, for one reason or another, they end up euthanizing these cats. I never understood why, really. Cats don't take up much space, don't eat much, and require minimal care.

    I hope that, at some point in the future, you and your family will feel the need to bring a new furry companion into your lives. And I would encourage you to go to a shelter and adopt one. Maybe a slightly older animal (3-5 yrs old). This past June, I found the longing back since losing my Tessa, and called an animal rescue lady I found online. She called me back and told me about a brother and sister tabby pair, named Trouble (boy) and Suzie (girl). They were 5 yrs old, and scheduled to be euthanized the next day. I did not hesitate - I told the nice lady to get me those cats! They came to my home on June 15. Since the second day at my house, Trouble has been my little buddy! I sometimes call him a velcro cat, because he is always attached to me (he is laying at my feet as I type this, patiently waiting for a belly-rub! Suzie has been a little different - she took to hiding in the spare room, and for a long time, would only come out at night when she thought I wasn't paying attention. But we have been taking little paw-steps, and she now hangs out in "the food room" and lays in a big captain chair there, and lets me pet her and give her belly-rubs, too! Trouble usually gives her a few little licks on top of her little head, too, as if to reassure her that she will be okay here. I could not have dreamed how happy these two have made me.

    I will pray for Toothless, and hope that he has perhaps run in to my Tessa at The Rainbow Bridge (a place where our old pets wait for us so we can enter Heaven/paradise or whatever you want to call it). I hope they're chasing mice, catching sun-rays, and napping on soft fluffy clouds. I also pray that you and your family find peace and healing at some point. And I ask you that, should a time come where you want a new furry companion, you will look into adoption, and at least consider an older cat. You will not be disappointed (Trouble and Suzie are the single best decision I have made in my life...and I'm an "old lady" at age 44! ;). )

    God bless, and again, I am so sorry for your loss...

  • LoganWolf posted at 8:13 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    I certainly hope that's not the case; their website is updated hourly. Perhaps the picture of the cat wasn't very good (many aren't), but I can almost guarantee that their site had it on there for at least 4 of the 5 days. They even have a last update timestamp at the bottom. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done sometimes. A feral cat isn't going to just pose and let you take pictures. They have to play it safe. It's probably why their photographer doesn't take pictures of the impound animals, either. I certainly wouldn't want to get attacked and bitten by a potentially rabid cat just to get a better picture!

    I'd love to see CHS accept payments for Logan. That would make a lot of sense (I commented on that farther up). I don't agree that they need more training instead of donations. I could agree that they need training along WITH more donations, because it's their lack of money that's causing their staff to become overworked and miss things like this. They need more people to do the work there. Just go there on a Friday and see what a zoo it is with the spay/neuter surgeries.

  • Lilly2 posted at 7:53 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Lilly2 Posts: 3

    Reader, I am sorry for your loss. I hope you never leave your collared at outside on any tether. I have seen this result in the perfect scenario for a dog attack, when a cat who was tethered happily for years as killed by two strays.

    It is NOT entirely your fault that your cat was killed. We are responsible for our pets, but sometimes the choice to allow a cat to roam is OK. Kitties are not without their own intelligence and free will, and not all cats who roam come to harm. I've known cats as old as 15 who were allowed to roam freely every day of their lives and were not killed, but died of old age after a good life. Your kitty's death was an accident, and though it is good that you were inspired to keep the new kitty safe, accidents can happen to anyone. I am sure your kitty would forgive you, and I think you should forgive yourself.

  • Scrabble posted at 7:51 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Scrabble Posts: 1

    I know how you feel quite well. All the best to you from now and into the future. Such a kind kid. You've taught us all a valuable lesson. (From Australia.)

  • Lilly2 posted at 7:49 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Lilly2 Posts: 3

    I can only imagine you have never lived in the country, and are very presumptive to equate having an outdoor cat with not providing veterinary care for the pet. In the country, especially on a farm or where chickens are kept, an outdoor cat is absolute necessity. Many outdoor cats live long and happy lives. Yes, there are dangers outside the walls of a house. There are also many improvements related to quality of life. Many studies of cats have show that indoor-outdoor cats have the best quality of life, and plenty of vets agree with the choice. I am sure you can find studies to show the opposite; that is the way studies work. However, the idea that no cat should go outside or that letting a cat go out is abusive is totally ridiculous and ignorant. I've had two cats who became depressed, quit eating, and lost hair when I attempted to make them fully indoor cats. Both returned to full good health when they were allowed out, and both lived very long and happy lives. I have known dozens of other such cats in my lifetime. I own four at the moment. I'd have to guess you have not owned many if you hold such a silly attitude that is so contrary to the nature and happiness of a HUGE number of kitties.

  • Izzy012 posted at 7:46 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Izzy012 Posts: 1

    Another example of continued incompetence at the CHS. It was just last month that we had another similar story regarding a man's dog named Whitey.

  • Lilly2 posted at 7:40 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Lilly2 Posts: 3

    This event absolutely SHOULD tarnish their reputation. They are entrusted with caring for animals, and they should do the job well. Another article states that the father checked their website, and it was not updated. There is no point at all in having the site if it is not updated immediately when an animal comes in. A busy family man who is ready to leave town for work SHOULD have been able to use this resource to verify whether the cat was there. What else is it for?

    Negligence can be just as damaging as an intentional wrong, and this whole incident points to just that. This employee decided to let someone in after hours, which has to be breaking a policy in the first place. She did that knowing she could not at all help the man out. All she did was make things worse for this family. I love animals and have often been accused of putting them before people, but in this case it needs to be remembered that these establishments serve the humans that care for the animals as well.

    Just because they are a charitable organization and trying to do good does not mean that they are fulfilling that mission. Everyone has the right to know all the flaws as well as the positives about the organization so that they can decide whether they will donate to this group, or perhaps lobby for a change, start an effort to bring in new supervision, or even start a new organization. Around here, animal control keeps cats for longer than this Humane society branch kept this kitty. I guess my basic point is that this chink in their image might reveal deeper issues. Perhaps this has happened before. Perhaps other mistakes have been committed and not brought to the public eye. It might be that instead of donations this agency needs more training, oversight, and advisory panels to change some policies and make it easier for folks to reclaim pets.

    NOTHING the owners did excuses this employee's actions in any way. I surely hope that someone in the community will lobby for change. In this case, the simple act of accepting the payments on site rather than at another office would fix the issue. I would hope there is a way to work that out with county government or whatever agencies are involved if folks would start pushing for it. Thank goodness this little guy started a dialogue in the community that could lead to change. What about a youth advisory board?

  • LoganWolf posted at 7:29 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    This letter and a bit more information has been picked up by ABC news:

    It seems everyone is sorry, and even though it won't bring Toothless back, there's a lot more understanding than is typical of this type of event. I'm glad for that, and hope that there are some changes in place to prevent this in the future. Things like:

    1) Allowing CHS to collect the payments for Animal Control. Right now they can't LEGALLY give anyone their animal without the impound fees being paid at the city office. I've had to deal with it too, and it's a pain. The fee schedules are known. I've heard there are some other counties that do allow CHS to collect for them. I think it should be done for all divisions. Why make them run back and forth to do this?

    2) A system to enter public animals in that Animal Control can look through if a cat is lost. This would be BETTER with some form of identification (rabies tag, microchip, etc.), but even searching by breed and then looking at photos would be better than nothing. If the owner could mark their animal as lost in that system then it would be even better.

    3) More education for the public to get people to actually put some form of identification on their animal. It's $5 (or less) for a tag. $35 for a microchip. That's cheap and good protection against an animal ending up in the system. And educate them about the ordinances and why they're in place.

    I would certainly donate more money if CHS could implement any of those things. Maybe they should start a "fund a community registration program" box. But who would actually donate?

  • Shawninfl posted at 7:27 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Shawninfl Posts: 4

    My heart goes out to you Rayden. Your innocent story touched a place in my heart and reminds me that everybody is human. I genuinely feel for you; know that I feel your pain. It is sad that the lady didn't get the note on the cage when she should have, right after speaking to your father, but all humans make mistakes.

    Your story reminds all of us, or should anyways, that there ARE pets out there being put down, that are genuinely loved and wanted back home. That circumstances sometimes forces things to be the way they are. Humans like to make rules and stick to them; the rules aren't always fair. Nor are all humans fair, such as your neighbors who trapped your cat. Maybe they had grown tired of your cat being in their yard, I have plenty of feral cats in my yard, but as yet I've never felt the need to trap them or turn them over to the police. Your neighbors should be ashamed of themselves for lying to an 8yo boy about the pet they trapped. It won't bring your precious pet back, but realize, that they are undoubtably shamed by what they did. They know they broke an 8yo and 5yo boys hearts, all for their own pettiness.

    Sometimes, Rayden, things happen that we don't like to happen. Bad things. As grown ups, we hope that we have learned to deal with them. In many cases we really haven't. I myself was sad for 3 years when I had to put down my own 18yo dog. It's a part of life. Nothing is going to make the pain any better. Just keep your precious kitty in your heart now.

    Your neighbors knew whose cat they trapped and did something bad. Know in your heart that God will sort things out for you and your brother. Bad things just happen and you grow past them. I'm sorry you had to learn that at such an early age. I'm sure God loves your Toothless very much.

  • duffersdame posted at 5:18 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

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    First of all, if that neighbor hadn't lied, the cat wouldn't have been there. Did they think to call the owner, or own up to turning the cat over? Apparently not. Second, if this had been a NO KILL shelter, Rayden would still have the love of a precious pet. Third, you can't blame the parents for a situation where dad has to work out of town (probably because there are NO JOBS in his area). Four, they let him come in AFTER HOURS, he acknowledged that it was a family pet (and therefore their responsibility) and was TOLD that the cat would be fine. So instead of taking a check, a promise, ANYTHING, they messed up and a family pet is now gone. Why not open the cage, give the babies their cat? Was it cheaper to put the cat down? I think not.

    Rayden, I'm so very sorry for the loss that you have suffered, and as a mom, very proud of the response that you posted. When you lay down tonight, know that Toothless is watching over you, as proud of you as your parents are. He will be happy, in the future, when you choose to give your love to another, and will be watching at the Rainbow Bridge.

  • tacotaco posted at 5:10 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    tacotaco Posts: 1

    The problem with cat owners is many do not license or put tags on their cats, then let them roam around the neighborhood.

    Be a responsible pet owner and tag and microchip your pet, it will help to avoid tragic situations like this.

    Rayden should be asking his parents why they weren't responsible cat owners. Yes, the neighbor lied, probably because they were tired of having your cat on their property. (I have cat prints on my car, and have caught them in my garage--what a nuisance).

    Still, this doesn't excuse the workers incompetence at CHS. If I were the owner, I'd consider suing. They may even have a potential suit against the neighbor (assuming the neighbor baited the trap to coerce the cat to come over).

  • fratcat posted at 5:00 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    fratcat Posts: 1

    Rayden, my heart goes out to you. As a lover of cats, and my home has 7 indoor cats., I cannot tell you to feel better. Unfortunately, incidents such as yours happens every day all over this country. I am a volunteer at a shelter here in the State of Louisiana, and for some reason, which I certainly, do not understand, people let their cats out,they disappear and then they wait days and days to go to the shelter to see if the animal had been picked up or trapped, which is the case of Toothless. Toothless wanted to come home, but your cruel neighbor took it upon them selves to trap that poor animal and dump him at the shelter and then lie about it. How much better it would had been had those adults been honest enough to tell you that they took your cat to the shelter and let your family go get him, pay the fee and then have the cat microchipped, or for you and your family to make sure the cat would then remain in the house in the future.

    I ask that you not hate all adults, they are not like your horrible neighbor, and I ask that you remember all the love you gave Toothless, and all the good times you ahd. Toothless is at the Rainbow Bridge and he is fine. I ask, then when your heart is feeling better and you are ready to open your heart up again to a new pet, that you go to the shelter and pick out a new friend, and have it microchipped, so that if it ever excapes your house, it will be identifiable back to you.

    God Bless You Rayden. I will be thinking of your and hoping your heart heals soon. Toothless is fine, and you shall be also in the future with all your good memories of your great cat.

  • Houstonian posted at 4:52 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Houstonian Posts: 1

    Rayden and family should be very proud of Rayden's response to this event. Rayden knows what lessons grownups should learn, and he is so grown up in expressing his anger and disappointment in this articulate way. I am so sorry he has to have this anguish over a beloved pet at this young age.

  • LoganWolf posted at 10:48 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    LoganWolf Posts: 23

    @FATHER (and mother, too): I am glad that you at least had him fixed and up on shots. That's a definite plus. And I'm sure you did love him. That much is evident by your willingness to post here and tell more of the story.

    However (and I don't mean to come off as rude), you have to realize what this story your 8-year-old boy told has done. It IS pointing a finger at the Humane Society, and it WILL damage their reputation. This single letter will cost CHS hundreds if not thousands of dollars in lost donation money because people will think that they are, as Savage likes to think, cruel Nazis, bent on destroying all the animals in the valley in their course for world domination (yeah, you can tell I don't ascribe to his idea). So what will happen is that they'll have to get by on less, and more animals lost will be the final result of that.

    There were mistakes enough to go around, from no identification, to not finding time to call animal control or the shelter earlier, to a lack of a notice that the animal had been pre-claimed due to after-hours mix-ups. The final mistake was posting this letter in the paper for the wrong reasons. C'est la vie. The shelter will hopefully continue to operate, continue to save animals, and probably change their policies on things to improve. They're recovered from worse.

    And I'm glad you don't lock up your children. That would be cruel. I just hope you aren't letting them play in traffic either. :)

  • posted at 9:21 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.


    I think the Nazi comments speak for themselves and I will not repsond to that other than to note that Savage is unhinged.

    FATHER, I have not commented on your worthiness as a pet owner. I wanted to point out that there was a way to find out if your cat was at CHS. I'm sorry to hear it did not work for you and don't understand what went wrong there.

    What should have happened here is that the CHS should not have let someone in after hours. In that event, poor Toothless was a goner anyway. He had used up the 5 days that the city (not CHS) gives him. His family did not come for him in time. Talk to the city about that. If the voters wanted 6 days, I'm sure they'd pony up for another one. But I think 5 should be sufficient.

    A life or death decision should never hinge on someone writing a note.

  • RockClimber posted at 8:50 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    RockClimber Posts: 3

    Your a DB. Seriously. SO glad people like you arent in charge of anything(I HOPE)
    I think you need to get a hobby instead of prowling comment forums and bullying people with your oh so enlightning assunmptions and your empathetic comments, and yes, I am being sarcastic.
    Her name is Brenda Smith by the way, and shes pretty new at the shelter. I'm sure she feels terrible. You badger me for not doing research, when i was just giving my measley little opinion, because I have a heart and feel bad for a child who lost his animal. Did your mommy not ever let you have a puppy or kitty? So now your taking out your childhood anguish on all of us? I have to go to work now. So glad we became pen pals, but I have to end our friendship seems how your a heartless being with ice in your veins.
    I said GOOD DAY!!

  • FATHER posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    FATHER Posts: 2

    Loganwolf/stranger I am a little taken back by your assumptions. Our Toohless was adopted from CHS, was fixed, had his shots, and as far as being loved; was very much so. What makes you think we didn't go to the web page and look, because we did and none of the pics. looked like him. I am sorry that my husband was unable to go to CHS until after closing, he was working out of town and it was the first chance he had that week. We also feel that a cat should be alowed to go out side , he had a cat door so he was free to come and go. He spent most of his days in the house stretched out on the couch after a long night of hunting mice. We do not feel