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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:15 am

A group of forthright outsiders is working to stir up locals against Logan's proposed laws aimed at protecting gay people from discrimination.

"They're (the Logan Municipal Council) going to give them (homosexuals) freedoms and take away freedoms from others. We should have the right to not associate with someone who is homosexual," said 55-year-old Sandra Rodrigues, of Sandy, speaking by phone from Angie's Restaurant early Monday. "I don't want to be served by someone with AIDS in the kitchen - I mean, I have those worries. I'm sorry."

Rodrigues leads a group calling itself America Forever, which dispatched a dozen agitators, all from the Salt Lake area, to Logan on Saturday - that day they protested near the homes of Councilwoman Holly Daines and Councilman Herm Olsen. On Sunday, members of the group showed up outside the church that Council Chairman Jay Monson attends.

Signs they hoisted read: "Shame on Holly Daines for becoming a gay activist," and "Sexual Orientation is not a class" and "Jay Monson hates children."

Later Sunday, members of the group distributed door-to-door in Monson's neighborhood a flier reading: "Shame on Councilmen Olsen, Monson, Daines for joining hands with the gay movement and becoming homosexual activists to oppress religious citizens freedoms."

On Monday, the group demonstrated outside City Hall in the morning and evening.

The crew came to town after the Municipal Council late last week revived ordinances banning discrimination in employment and housing based on sexual orientation or gender identity. Councilman Herm Olsen introduced the measures May 5 with Monson's support but a majority of council members decided to put them on the backburner, postponing any consideration until August. At the time, Councilwoman Holly Daines questioned if the ordinances were needed in Logan.

"I didn't think there was a problem in Cache Valley; that opinion has changed," wrote Daines in a letter sent to colleagues last week. "Although I am still concerned with the logistics of the ordinance, or the ‘letter of the law,' I have come to believe that the ‘spirit of the law' - or the message we send by its passage - outweighs my concerns."

In an interview, Daines said: "We may disagree with their (homosexuals) choices but that's even more reason to respect them."

Daines did not respond to a phone message left for her Monday; Olsen too did not respond to a message.

"Their tactics are not my tactics," said Monson on Monday. "It doesn't make sense," he said of the arguments and the sign saying he hates children - Monson worked for decades as a schoolteacher and professor of education at Utah State University.

Despite the weekend fireworks, Monson said, "overwhelmingly people are telling me the city should do this."

Monson ruled Monday to allow only Logan residents to speak at a public hearing regarding the ordinances Tuesday night; later in the day he eased up, deciding people from out of town could talk during the last twenty minutes of the scheduled hourlong hearing. Because the ordinances are not the kind requiring public hearings by law, Monson could exclude speakers if he so chose, said City Attorney Kymber Housley.

"We want to hear the other side, but we want to hear the other side from people who live here," said Monson.

On Monday afternoon, Rodrigues and her team held a "town hall" meeting in a conference room at The Crystal Inn in south Logan. No visitors were on hand while she had it out with someone on the phone at about 4 p.m. No one showed up all afternoon, but the group did receive upward of 50 phone calls and e-mails from locals arguing against their message and tactics. Rodrigues ditched the town hall and ended up demonstrating at City Hall late in the afternoon, drawing stares, jeers and reprimands from passers-by.

Kenny Coons, 29, and his 27-year-old wife, Buffy, spied the picketers as they walked from their car to the library. Buffy said she's all for people expressing their views but that personally she thought the messages were "just not cool."

Kenny said his stepbrother is gay and that he supports the ordinances.

After the council shelved the proposals May 5, Maure Smith, program coordinator of Utah State University's Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender and Ally Services, described the local GLBT community's response as "sheer outrage" and "utter dismay."

"It was a sense of ‘you've got to be kidding me,'" she said.

Ordinance supporters flooded council members with correspondence.

"I think they were moved to action because it was so clear council members didn't understand the issues," said Smith.

Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County, West Valley City and Park City have already passed laws banning discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

The statewide group Equality Utah is pushing a "Ten in 2010" campaign encouraging 10 cities or counties to approve anti-discrimination laws before the Legislature convenes in 2011. Group leaders said at that time they could push for a state law; a recent Salt Lake Tribune poll found 66 percent of Utahns support statewide protections.

Rodrigues, who described gay people as "conniving," said the Logan ordinances and similar ones in other cities are part of gay peoples' agenda to "flaunt" their lifestyle, to forcefully expose straight people to homosexuality, say at the office Christmas party where a gay couple "would kiss and hold hands and nobody would be able to say anything" or in the workplace lunchroom where they might openly discuss sexual activity. Homosexuals want to be in a position to entice children to try out being gay, she said.

"This is what the gays want," she said. "It's really insane if you think about it."

The public hearing on Logan's proposed ordinances is set for 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday at City Hall, 290 N. 100 West.

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75 comments:

  • advoc8 posted at 10:24 pm on Fri, May 21, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    Yea, if the sh..ty council votes to make people with diabetes more important than and superior to those without it - Vote 'em out!

     
  • g posted at 10:34 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    g Posts: 7

    Well, fer ignernt!

     
  • manboob posted at 9:56 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    manboob Posts: 511

    Diabetes infringes on the rights of those without diabetes! Don't be ignorant!

    Diabetes is not a race! Shame on you for being a Diabetes activist!

     
  • g posted at 9:15 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    g Posts: 7

    I don’t think Rodrigues needs to worry that someone with AIDS serving her in a restaurant is going to kill her. Diabetes will likely do the job first. Some might even say that her choice of lifestyle is repulsive, disgusting, and even sinful. I would certainly not want to rent to her for fear that my children might be exposed to the idea that “it’s OK to just do what feels good.” But I fear it would be in vain, for Logan is quickly becoming the San Francisco of obesity.
    Frankly, the only people I would ever rent to would be thin, beautiful, cheery, white, Mormon, lesbians.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 3:26 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    Yep, Vote 'em out!

    Whether the city council (and others) intentionally know exactly the rot they are supporting (sugar-coated NOW supremacy) or whether they are just ignorant misled sheeple thinking they are "doing good" and spreading the love - neither destructive extreme should be representing the people with this type of fine looking supremacy and lies in disguise.

    Vote 'em out!

     
  • advoc8 posted at 2:25 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    NOW supports you. They are the biggest backer, spearheading this movement, all with the same deceptive supremacist intent,,, in sheep's clothing.

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    advoc8, I do not support NOW. Never mind, the communication and interpretation?

     
  • Praxis posted at 12:05 pm on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    Praxis Posts: 222

    I think the Logan City Council did a great job with this issue. I was present for the proceedings and I think they handled it all very professionally. For all the government bashing we hear, one should watch them in action. I took my teenage daughter so she could see local government in action. Citizens were allowed to speak and a cross section of the community were represented. I think the elected reps voted based on their assessment of the community desires and interest. Too bad a handful of out-of-town crazies had to protest near the Councilmembers homes and church. I'm glad they didn't bully their way in and influence our local politicians with threats.... I just hope the Tea Party crowd doesn't turn on any of the councilmembers...that would be tragic.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 11:47 am on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    beauHEman,

    NOW is dishonest, it's abusive, it's deceptive, it's supremacist. Call it what you want, but those are facts. NOW is a self-claimed Marxist organization. NOW is very supremacist and abusive which is the opposite of their claims (wolves in sheep's clothing). Their actions speak much louder than their hollow equality words - Fact.

    Why do you support an abusive supremacist organization and agenda?

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 11:21 am on Thu, May 20, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    advoc8, it’s not a conspiracy but you can gather information from where you will.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 10:51 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    fatkid, then don't defend NOW.

    Here is more info and illustration/documentation of how NOW pretends to be for equality and against abuse while doing the 180 degree opposite of both (in all they do). NOW's supremacist division by class creates favoritism and persecution. Naturally you can't create one without the other. Favoritism and persecution (in the fake name of equality) are integral to every last one of NOW's programs and agenda:

    Here is an article on NOW's love child, VAWA, with Senators, Hatch, Biden and Specter. Specter went down with NOW's help because his replacement supports ALL of NOW's supremacist agenda, not just VAWA and a little bit more). VAWA creates and drives the lies necessary to support their double standards. Double standards = supremacy, abuse, favoritism, persecution. This is what NOW aims for in everything they do, but always in the fake name of equality, which is actually nonexistent with NOW's supremacist abuse and favoritism:

    http://partnerabuse.com/2010/05/03/america%E2%80%99s-war-on-families/

    Here are NOW's exact blatant lies, favoritism and persecution headed up by their VAWA and their domestic violence coalitions, which lies, favoritism and abuse are taught to YOUR police, courts, community leaders and media, thanks to NOW's hate-agenda:

    http://www.mediaradar.org/alert20070521.php
    (read the overview and click the link there to read full documentation)

     
  • fatkid posted at 6:32 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    fatkid Posts: 208

    advoc8, dense? No. Misunderstood? Yes. I hope previous comments dis not communicate I support NOW. I am simply asking you to provide evidence to support your claims. So, try again. Please put the NOW rhetoric aside for a moment and let's stay on the topic, which is how are you defining special class and how does this relate to the ordinance. Once you answer, I'm open to discussing NOW and learning more about that organization.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 4:29 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    Dang, fatkid, you are dense.

    First you support a Marxist organization which is also very Supremacist and very Abusive (NOW).

    And then you ask, "what makes you think you are Marxist????"

    Wake up boy, who you are is made from whom you avidly support.

    Did you also really ask: "How do these ordinances create a "special class"?"? and what affect a special class has on our community??? NOW is all about special class and taking advantage of their target classes. What's NOT to understand, boy? Tell me, what???

    If you can't understand what I already wrote in other post or the supporting links... on just that, then go read some Abraham Lincoln and George Washington.

    "Freakin (Marxist) IDIOTS!" - Napoleon Dynamite

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 1:51 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    A college student who lives here for 4 to 6 years or however long they live here contributes to our community. They give and take. They pay rent or purchase housing. Many hold jobs. They buy goods, use service, etc. They pay taxes on the goods they use. Some become legal residents. Many end up looking for employment upon completion because they enjoy the area and wish to stay.

    The Rodrogues’ were visitors of an unpleasant kind.

     
  • manboob posted at 1:07 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    manboob Posts: 511


    Getting out there and dissing on gay people is just like someone standing there with one of these on a sign:

    Shame on Sandra Rodrigues for becoming a FAT activist!

    Don't be ignorant! Obesity is not a class!

    Pro-FAT ordinances will oppress THIN people!

    ...How's it feel?

     
  • shdware posted at 12:19 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    The only issue I have with the bill is that it allows government control over who I'd allow as a renter in my home.

    I don't own a rental property, but I'd be comfortable renting to gays. But I don't think we should ever rob anyone of their right to be a bigot in their own property.

     
  • Little Al posted at 12:09 pm on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    Little Al Posts: 3082

    Does it strike anyone here that some one going to USU and should be here only 4 to 6 years ( Except for Des ) thinks they are a local ?
    Yes Rodrogues needs to go home, but since theres this big who-ha about outsiders whats the difference . Is this law outa here in 4 years ?

     
  • fatkid posted at 10:37 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    fatkid Posts: 208

    advoc8,

    "which are you, Marxist, conservative, libertarian (or a fence sitter)?"

    It's interesting that I solicited more information from you and the first thing that comes to your mind is political philosophy. You tell me which I am based on what I've said, but be careful of making sweeping generalizations as these often lead to inaccurate assumptions.

    I'm simply curious about the things you've said, and I only what more information so I can formulate my own opinions. At first glance, I'm tempted to reject much of what you said in your previous two comments due to lack of facts. I am curious how you interpret actually content from the two ordinances. The links to these ordinances (as originally proposed) are above and to the left.

    Furthermore, you successfully dodged two of the questions I originally asked; let's not bring more information to the table until you provide evidence/facts to support your claim about these ordinances creating a special class. Here are the questions:

    1) How do these ordinances create a "special class"?
    2) Define "special class"?
    3) (a new question) What impact will this "special class" have on the well being of our local community?

    Please stay on topic, answer these questions directly, and provide both quotations and interpretations from the content of the ordinances as they were originally drafted. Then I'll be curious to learn more about your thoughts on NOW, but not until you answer the questions I asked.

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 10:37 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    Nobody is Tea Partying anyone anywhere so quit hoping. It will NEVER happen!

    I hope the Rodrigues family has made their way back to Sandy by now. Freaky experience for Logan.

    Beans, the protesting gives the rest of us something to be amazed by. It provides entertainment even if it is mostly SAD!

    fatkid, advoc8 is in a “special class” of their own and advoc8 knows it. If we didn’t have laws to protect advoc8, advoc8 would be in trouble. advoc8 is following some funked up, crazy, extreme messages that were passed through the family. fatkid, I wouldn't waist anymore time reading what advoc8 has to say. There are many more important things to spend the day on.

    CharlesAshurst, it does make a difference when your community demonstrates that it values you as a human being. Dean Quayle needs to realize that. AmericanPatriot is going to go on hiring whoever he wants, hopefully the best candidate for the job and needs to relax. He’s taking the entire matter way out of context.

    advoc8, REALY? I got to this paragraph: “Look at NOW's domestic violence agenda which puts men and children as inferior to women, and men as dangerous, while it is actually women, not men who commit by far most child abuse and child murders, and men do not commit more domestic violence or dating violence than women, and on and on their same toxic trash hate-speak goes from there... DISHARMONY” and decided I just couldn’t waist anymore time reading. Once again, I feel very sorry for you. Not that you asked for my sympathy but WOW! I just can’t help but to feel it.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 10:18 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    fatkid,

    Sorry, I tried that link to verify it, and it doesn't let you in to the Psychiatric Times article. You can access the article this way:

    Go to the following link and then go down from the top just a few article links to:
    - 4/1/2010 Newer Perspectives on Domestic Violence

    http://www.mediaradar.org/prior_headlines.php

    An eye-opener to those who haven't already had that enlightening experience of finding wolves in sheep's clothing among us, devouring your fellow citizens and families and looking great while raping and pillaging the village and making their victims look the part of the villains. Yes, this is exactly what NOW is - the driving force behind so many supremacist politically correct/corrupt movements.

    NOW has lots of irons in their toxic fires.

     
  • shdware posted at 7:54 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    American Patriot -

    Also, that bit about drinking and drugs is a far cry from hiring a Mexican.

     
  • shdware posted at 7:53 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    American Patriot -

    That's why I said "equal qualification". It exists so that the bit about "fitting in" has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

    But I'm with you that Affirmative Action is a load of bollocks.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 12:49 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    fatkid,

    Try this article from "Psychiatric Times" professional magazine describing the NOW hate-agenda and the harm it has done in solving real domestic violence problems: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/depression/content/article/10168/1546465

    Also another Dr. commented to the article with the following referring to NOW preventing help for DV (domestic violence) victims because of NOW's lies and hysteria:

    "Kudos to Dr. Robbins for his eloquent, reasoned, well researched paper on this important problem. In medicine, successful treatment requires an accurate diagnosis. Unfortunately DV has been dominated and exploited by a multi-billion dollar industry of lawyers, judges, therapists, guardians-ad-litems, victim advocates, etc profitting from tired old cliches which do not serve to advance our understanding of DV and hence to solve it. This article is a real breath of fresh air and I believe to the extent that it serves to stimulate reasoned discussion, my help lead towards healing the problem."

     
  • advoc8 posted at 12:08 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    So, fatkid, which are you, Marxist, conservative, libertarian (or a fence sitter)?

    I have been validating and you've been sleeping?

    NOW is a straight-up hate-group which claims supremacy status over others who are not themselves or their direct supporters. NOW drives for DISHARMONY in all of it's radical hate-agenda venues. Hate-agenda always drives favoratism of chosen classes (Marxist class warfare) which in turn propagates disharmony. I hope that wasn't too compolicated? ...DISHARMONY

    Look at NOW's domestic violence agenda which puts men and children as inferior to women, and men as dangerous, while it is actually women, not men who commit by far most child abuse and child murders, and men do not commit more domestic violence or dating violence than women, and on and on their same toxic trash hate-speak goes from there... DISHARMONY

    NOW claims supremacy over children and over men at the same time. They claim that women should have the right to make all decisions for both men and children and themselves too (deciding for all three?). That also includes making all decisions for unborn children as well, who are likewise "inferior and inconsequential" as are men and children too, according to NOW's supremacy agenda, in sheep's clothing, pretending to stand for equality and against abuse... ( drama queen supremacists, and you like that???) DISHARMONY...

    REAL women all over the US denounce NOW femi-nazi supremacist hysterians (which is an insult to Nazis more than and insult to feminists) - may these supremacist abusers rot together in helllllll...o.

    Wake up and smell the coffee before you start supporting supremacists in sheep's clothing, before you know what you're talking about. Yeah, you're in very politically correct company for now, until the masses wake up enslaved by these mega abusers and Marxist (their OWN claim, not mine) supremacists. ...DISHARMONY

    BTW, have you seen the REAL women speaking out against NOW's abuse and supremacy in sheep's clothing? Or, just ask around you and you will hear it from real women.

    You've gotta be either evil or ignorant to support this and other NOW supremacist agenda. Which are you? Evil or ignorant? Those are the only two choices. I used to support them too, IGNORANTLY.

    I hope you and others will come to see the light just the same, someday. Maybe your kids will, and will denounce your support for the NOW supremacy aganda which attacked and tried to destroy our county and others. That's all just history repeating itself, as it will again, with DISHARMONY.

     
  • CharlesAshurst posted at 12:06 am on Wed, May 19, 2010.

    CharlesAshurst Posts: 3886

    I guess you heard already that the ordinance passed 4 to one abstain. Yes!!! Does my heart good for us to win one now and then. Not that I'm gay but I'm eccentric in a variety of other ways and sure do know the loneliness of it. You can't legislate attitudes, of course, but it does make a difference when your community demonstrates that it values you as a human being. Believe me, it makes a difference.

     
  • AmericanPatriot posted at 11:45 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    AmericanPatriot Posts: 159

    shdware,
    You're right, it is a law. It's an ineffective law that needs to go. As far as I'm concerned it's DEAD.
    Here's your quote: "There's the whole affirmative action deal where if you have two individuals of equal qualification, you hire the minority, sure. But you're not ever forced to keep someone."
    Only people who are politically correct follow it. As an employer, the best qualified candidate that will "fit in" with my business gets hired. Why would I hire a minority candidate if they're not the best? Because I'm stupid? Why don't I just shoot myself in the foot, let my employees drink and do drugs at work while I'm at it?

     
  • fatkid posted at 11:22 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    fatkid Posts: 208

    "This ordinance is right up the same alley as hate-speech laws and hate-crime laws which are not made to create equality, but to divide and create special preferred classes and thus disharmony"

    advoc8, please validate your claim with more evidence -- exactly how will this ordinance create a "special class"? And what do you mean by "special class"? And how does all of this relate to disharmony?

     
  • Beans posted at 11:03 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Beans Posts: 55

    They have the right to protest.

    But the rest of us have the right to drive on by.

     
  • gracie posted at 10:24 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    gracie Posts: 2

    Freakin idiots!!! .... is right

     
  • gracie posted at 10:21 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    gracie Posts: 2

    I'm taken aback... gimme a minute
    What decade are we in?
    People still think that Gays are here to take over the planet?
    Have these people with these thoughts left this town? La Tienda and Preston, Idaho does not count.
    (among the thought an idea that gay people imply that they are of a race of sorts, etc...?)
    I grew up here, by-the-way, and i know not everyone deserves this criticism.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 9:50 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    OK, I'll be the first to say it: I think it's time to TEA Party the City Council right outta here.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 9:36 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    mareluz, Our founders took a very huge leap forward for equality which opened the door for equality for ALL.

    OTOH, NOW and libs have done more to attack and destroy equality (ironically in the name of promoting it) than any other supremacist groups since our founding.

    and to think, many just didn't get either of the above, but are happy to spout liberal NOW rhetoric to he opposite effect of true equality in the end.

    "Freekin' IDIOTS!"
    - Napoleon Dynamite

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 8:59 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    advoc8, any chance you’re one of those Rodrigues family members who is a sheep for your family?

     
  • mareluz posted at 8:55 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    mareluz Posts: 3

    Advoc8 go look at the kind of ugliness and hatred American Forever promotes and them come and lecture us about following organizations blindly. They are poison.

     
  • advoc8 posted at 8:42 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    advoc8 Posts: 3407

    This ordinance is right up the same alley as hate-speech laws and hate-crime laws which are not made to create equality, but to divide and create special preferred classes and thus disharmony. These types of laws and ordinances do not create equal protection under the law, thus they violate the 14th amendment which does protect equally. But few of our leaders support the 14th amendment anymore since it just gets in the way of creating extra layers of parasitic bureaucracy.

    Promoting this special class stuff is a step backwards for gays, not forward. Watch and learn the hard way if you can't learn form history, specifically the history of hate groups in sheep's clothing such as NOW. NOW opposes the equal rights of other groups. That IS supremacist. So, why would any equality minded gay person support and team up with NOW supremacists?

    As for this ordinance (and so many more laws and proposals), it is backed by NOW a supremacist hate-organization in sheep's clothing pretending to be for equality and against domestic violence while actually promoting and profiting from both along with their domestic violence coalitions. NOW has it tentacles in to such a broad variety of things, but most Americans are ignorant and support their supremacist destruction because they and their politicians make it sound wonderful to the sheeple.

    Others and I have found that generally you can watch what a supremacist organization like NOW supports and you will know what to check out further as being corrupt and unfair for everyone but them and their chosen ones.

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 8:27 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    PASS!!!!!!!!!!! How do you like them apples?

    These people are freakin' nuts: http://americaforever.com/
    Get the heck out of dodge and let the door hit ya' where your good lord split ya'. See ya'!

     
  • mareluz posted at 7:14 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    mareluz Posts: 3

    If you want to know what these "America Forever" people are all about, go to their website. They start with a video called "Obama Killer Song." It is violent and offensive. I'm not afraid of gay people interacting with kids - I'm afraid of people with this much hatred interacting or even coming close to children.

     
  • manboob posted at 7:12 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    manboob Posts: 511

    These protesters are just pissed off because they haven't gotten laid since the disco era.

     
  • mareluz posted at 7:02 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    mareluz Posts: 3

    Thank you coucilmen/women Daines, Olsen for your tolerance and sanity. I'd like to know why anyone from outside this valley has any business in our votes, our laws or our affairs. I read the statement by America Forever and I have never read anything so full of misinformation, lies or hatred. This isn't a channel for political beliefs - it's a diatribe of rage and malice. I am an independent, a mother, a wife, and a Christian and I find both their words and their techniques to be hateful and against everything I was taught to believe as a Christian. Virtually nothing in their release was accurate - and don't try to call me a west coast liberal - I'm not. No one force has force fed ideas to me, either - not a chance. And as a mother, I have had several instances of heterosexual teachers crossing the line. Gays? Not one. And I'm not part of the LGBT community, either. I'm just a normal woman, who believe in equal rights.

     
  • fatkid posted at 4:38 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    fatkid Posts: 208

    "On Monday afternoon, Rodrigues and her team held a 'town hall' meeting in a conference room at The Crystal Inn in south Logan."

    I wonder how she would feel if Crystal Inn did not allow her to hold her meeting in their conference room because of her race/ethnicity or even her political views.

    "They're (the Logan Municipal Council) going to give them (homosexuals) freedoms and take away freedoms from others."

    I'm curious to know exactly which freedoms will be taken from others (i.e., straight people). Can anyone provide examples?

    Anyway, it is sometimes helpful for me to discuss concrete examples. After reading through the proposed housing ordinance, I bring the following examples to this discussion:

    As I understand the proposed ordinance, it will become illegal for gay people to advertise for gay roommates and for straight people to advertise for straight roommates. Or for landlords to advertise their rental is only available for gays/lesbians (or straights). Is this correct?

    As I understand the proposed ordinance, it will become illegal for real estate brokers to withhold information or services because of sexual orientation (gay or straight) / gender identity.

    As I understand the proposed ordinance, homosexuals who illegally manufacture or distribute controlled substances from a dwelling may be evicted legally. Is this correct? If correct, this suggests to me that the law is in fact NOT creating a special class (i.e., just because someone is gay/lesbian they will not be above other laws).

    I speculate if a gay/lesbian openly engages in sexual behavior (i.e., "flaunts" their lifestyle, as some have said), or uses coercion/intimidation to "forcefully expose straight people to homosexuality," other laws will come into effect and may warrant legal action. Is this correct? If correct, this again suggests that gays/lesbians will not be above the law and thus a special class won't be created. Moreover, who in their right mind would discuss sexual activity in the workplace lunchroom? HR would be all over that in a heart beat regardless of the sexual preference involved.

    "at the office Christmas party where a gay couple 'would kiss and hold hands and nobody would be able to say anything'. First, at my work Christmas parties, I don't think I've ever seen more than a peck on the cheek between straight couples and certainly not in a way to draw attention. I'm highly skeptical gays/lesbians would behave any differently. (Although we all know those couples who don't seem to have any context for when/where affection is appropriate and how much affection, but this isn't something unique to gays/lesbians -- it's common among gays/lesbians and straights alike. Second, these laws won't stop people from saying anything, as far as I understand, if they were to witness affectionate displays between members of the same gender. Just as I might say something to the straight couple who has no context for when/where affection is appropriate and how much affection (e.g., the couple making out at the table next to me), the proposed ordinance does not make such feedback illegal when directed toward gays/lesbians. Is this correct?

    "Homosexuals want to be in a position to entice children to try out being gay"

    How will these ordinances place gays/lesbians in a position to do this? Can someone please help me understand as this seems, at first hang, highly erroneous logic.

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 4:31 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    One more thing, 26yroldlogangrl, it will serve you well to understand now that unfortunately time and money isn’t always spent in the order we see fit. If only it were a perfect World. Then, what would we do?

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 4:03 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    Oh boy…….. First of all bellaswan let me break it down for you….. I’m not part of the LGBT community and the homosexual community hasn’t fed me a single word. I am as hetero as they come. I have been using my brain. I have only lived in Logan for a short time and can’t even say I know anyone who is gay here. I’m here because the homosexuals apparently need me. The homophobes and anti-gays need to hear reasonable dialogue. I never said anything about hating anyone. I’m a lover, not a fighter but don’t back me in a corner. I actually feel really sorry for people who are misinterpreting what this is all about. It’s very ignorant to think that you are going to get AIDS by being exposed to homosexuals. It’s very ignorant to think the gay community is going to start displaying public affection or dress in clothes that don’t suit their gender. It’s very ignorant to assume gays will flirt with your children. It’s very ignorant to make statements reading: "Shame on Holly Daines for becoming a gay activist," and "Jay Monson hates children." Give me a break. You have the right to NOT associate privately with anyone. When you are dealing with the public it’s a different story. WOW! Can’t you come up with something more concrete? Have you ever thought about the people who are gay and keep it in the closet? They could be married with children living what you think is a “normal” life. Or, have you thought about what’s happened in the Catholic Church? Pedophiles could be preying on children in many places. Pedophiles are not always homosexual so try not to get too confused. It appears that there is more confusion about cross-dressing. Cross-dressers aren’t always gay and gay people aren’t always cross-dressers.

    Thanks shdware and Gisokbyme. Well put! The protesters should hop in their auto and hit the road. They shouldn’t be wasting their time in OUR community. From what I can see no one wants them around. In my opinion they are also an embarrassment to those who would rather the ordinance not pass.

    AmericanPatriott, you seem to be confused about the “demands of respect”

    heyahh, she does make the other side look horrible. It’s working against her, not for her. I appreciate that.

    NoCALNoUT, good job with the obese comment.

     
  • NoCALNoUT posted at 3:51 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    NoCALNoUT Posts: 5

    I replaced HIV+ with Obese

     
  • NoCALNoUT posted at 3:43 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    NoCALNoUT Posts: 5

    Take a moment and re-read this article, replacing the word Gay with Mormon, Catholic, Heterosexual, Woman or Mexican. You will soon see how racist and how intensely hate-filled Sandra Rodriguez's tirade is.

    "I don't want to be served by someone with in the kitchen - I mean, I have those worries. I'm sorry."

    Sorry Sandra, you needed a dose of your own medicine.

     
  • stephanie posted at 2:56 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    stephanie Posts: 28

    Well this is just embarrassing. What a bunch of country bumpkins. I am happy for the day when everyone has equal rights. Lets keep pushing for that! :) xoxo

     
  • heyahh posted at 2:55 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    heyahh Posts: 19

    I remember trying to rent in Logan, and having real estate companies and individuals alike NOT rent to us because, plainly, we were an unwed straight couple. Now this was 6 years ago, so perhaps things have changed.

    Just a question for Sandra, will the magical HIV transmitted by food cooks magically disappear because you don't know that the chef is Gay?

    Sandra's protest is laughable at best and really hurts her cause. We "liberals" like it when people like her speak up, it really makes the other side look horrible.

     
  • JDoe posted at 1:58 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    JDoe Posts: 276

    We don't need outsiders to come in and tell us how to be bigots -- we can do that all by ourselves.

     
  • shdware posted at 1:31 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    AmericanPatriot -

    Whether I agree with it or its effectiveness, it's still the law, despite your claims that it's "dead".

    Unless you're talking about in California or Michigan where the state Constitution prohibits it.

     
  • fetch posted at 1:21 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    fetch Posts: 170

    I agree with Bellaswan in the sense that this does not need to translate into defining sexual preference (but only of the homosexual variety) as anything more than that. Having this _preference_ is not a reason for adding another layer of laws to add guarantees that already exist. When race is equated with sexual preference (but only of the homosexual variety) it leaves common sense behind.

    This is the one agenda that I do not agree with.

     
  • AmericanPatriot posted at 1:19 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    AmericanPatriot Posts: 159

    Yikes! stranger got it right. I wouldn't want these nut jobs anywhere near me.
    There are a lot of misconceptions about gays and HIV. Education is needed here on that but K-12 schools are not the place to teach kids homosexuality. It should be the parents place to teach kids about sex and no, not just "don't do it unless you're married".
    shdware. Affirmative Action is dead. That little experiment was a failure.
    LGBTQ community? How about "You're human, I'm human" and go from there.
    You say you want equal treatment but if you aren't treated equally you want someone to pay for their nasty behavior. Please make up your minds. Do you want to be treated as equals or the "special children"?
    If you demand respect instead of earn it, you won't get it.

     
  • MP posted at 12:34 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    MP Posts: 130

    The ignorance-filled rhetoric used by these "protesters" truly makes me sick to my stomach. To treat human beings as though they are cursed due to their sexual orientation is disgusting. I don't care if you don't agree with the homosexual "lifestyle", but I do care when you use your disagreement to keep those different from you from having EQUAL status in society.

     
  • Gisokbyme posted at 12:23 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Gisokbyme Posts: 1

    Bellaswan, you are the prime example of why Logan city needs this ordinance. You are preaching about ignorance when clearly you know nothing about the matter. Have you actually done any research on this topic? Or have you let this Sandra R. woman get you all riled up? This ordinance won't force anyone to interact with LGBT people anymore than they already have to if you think about it... It simply protects the rights that they should already have. And tell me, how do you define homosexual "behaviors"? I'm gay, but I'm certain you would never know unless I told you.

    You already said in your post: "I don’t care if I work with a homosexual, be taught by a homosexual, live next to a homosexual, but if they flaunt around, flirt my kids, teach them what it is, then YES I HAVE A PROBLEM" What is there to flaunt? Who you are? We are not allowed to express who we are?!? grow up lady, accept the truth that this country is moving on whether or not you are coming with.

    So you can continue on in your blissful ignorance, but it sounds to me that with all the angry phone calls, and all the booing and yelling directed towards Sandra R. Logan has spoken.

     
  • Little Al posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Little Al Posts: 3082

    I think Rodrigues and Marlene think alike .

     
  • shdware posted at 12:02 pm on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    bellaswan,

    I think I'm able to wipe up what you're spilling for the most part. But help me out with this:

    "if you are forced to hire someone or keep them because they are homosexual"

    There's the whole affirmative action deal where if you have two individuals of equal qualification, you hire the minority, sure. But you're not ever forced to keep someone. This bill prevents a person from firing/not renting to/etc. a person on the sole basis that they are a homosexual.

    I'm not sure where the uproar is coming from.

     
  • bellaswan posted at 11:37 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    bellaswan Posts: 2

    Well Its nice to know that the LGBT community who preach tolerance and acceptance HATE PEOPLE SO MUCH. Any ignorant can understand what Sandra R is talking about. But you choose to continue to eat all the mambo jambo the homosexual community feeds you!
    I received one of America Forever's flyer I believe people are just not understanding their argument. What I understand is that their main concern is these ordinances will FORCE people to associate with people you may not want to. I HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO Associate with a HOMOSEXUAL if Do not wish too. Yes westcoastliberal you do not have to associate with your neighbor but if you are forced to hire someone or keep them because they are homosexual then you are being forced to associate with them. The same way you would not hire Sandra R for being who she is. HIV- it's obvious that Sandra R is concerned about the employers right to choose who to hire. If homosexuals are going to flaunt their behavior to customers it could affect what customers think. It can affect the employers business.

    You can try to discredit people, call them stupid with all your ignorant comments, and you can yap about how homosexuals don’t have the same rights as others do, but the truth remains Homosexuals can get a job, they can rent a home, the can vote and they are not being deprived of rights as men and women. SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, HOMOSEXUALITY,IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING BLACK or WHITE or any race. It is a BEHAVIOR stop trying to shove this down peoples throat. I AGREE with America forever HOMOSEUXALITY SHOULD BE KEPT PRIVATE
    I don’t care if I work with a homosexual, be taught by a homosexual, live next to a homosexual, but if they flaunt around, flirt my kids, teach them what it is, then YES I HAVE A BPROBLEM and these ordinances will do just that. Government should oppress peoples rights especially because of someone’s sexual behavior!

     
  • boHEMiAN posted at 11:37 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    boHEMiAN Posts: 26

    These protesters are a display of ignorance at its best.

     
  • fetch posted at 10:57 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    fetch Posts: 170

    A post by Strings that I agree with! ;-)

     
  • 26yroldlogangrl posted at 10:49 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    26yroldlogangrl Posts: 1

    Really people...REALLY...I think everyone should be created equal. Per Thomas Jefferson, all men are created equal. So how about we stick to that. They are people too. Just different and why should people be punished for being different...THE SHOULDN't...They are human and they have feelings. However...why are we wasting time and money on issues like this when its simple that everyone should be created equal. WE should be investing time, money, and effort into big issues and things that are of actual importance. Like investing in the future of our kids. Schools are being shut down because of money issues, which is making it harder for our kids, why not invest here. It's something that actually matters. People are dying all over America because of all sorts of sickness and disease and cancer, lets invest time money and effort to help keep people healthy so they can live longer and b there for people and family. I mean come on people lets worry about the big issues here.

     
  • Strings posted at 10:37 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Strings Posts: 728

    HIV is not transmitted in the manner Sandra R. quoted in the article suggests. Someone who is HIV positive cannot give you aids by handling food. This is a sad situation that she is using this disease to further her prejudice. I suggest she read the scientific literature on the transmission of human immunodeficiency virus and those who are infected with it.

     
  • shdware posted at 10:25 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    Marlene,

    Let's keep it apples to apples, okay?

     
  • mountaindyke posted at 10:24 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    mountaindyke Posts: 3

    I am a member of the LGBTQ community and have lived in Logan. Logan is really an outstanding place to live and has a thriving and growing LGBTQ community. I want my friends in Logan who identify as LGBTQ to have EQUAL access to housing and employment as all other residents. This is a civic right that has nothing to do with local religious authority, but rather has to do with legal and civic anti-discrimination.

    It also worries me that there is not enough community and school based education about LGBTQ issues and HIV/AIDS. This worries me...
    "I don't want to be served by someone with AIDS in the kitchen - I mean, I have those worries. I'm sorry."

    This quote alone makes it very clear that there are people who STILL believe that all or many LGBTQ people have HIV/AIDS, which is absolutely untrue. It is also clear from this statement that some people do not know how HIV/AIDS is transmitted, because it cannot be transmitted through food, touching or any kind of casual contact.

    I am disappointed that folks like Sandra and her friends stand in front of hundreds of people misinforming them about my community, who we are, and the benefits that we bring to Logan everyday. LGBTQ people live in thrive in this valley...I hope the local government will support our efforts to make this place the best it can be.

     
  • people's court posted at 10:18 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    people's court Posts: 869

    I am for it ... just opposed to how it will be administered - judgment by the mayor? come on ..

     
  • fetch posted at 9:59 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    fetch Posts: 170

    OK, I read them. Do we need these?

     
  • Marlene posted at 9:57 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Marlene Posts: 2

    I'm glad to see the reaction against these ignorant bigots in the comments today.

    But remember, it was these self-same fearmongers from all over Utah who invaded California 18 months ago and were able to scapegoat the LGBT community and get Prop H8 passed.

    Here's hoping the Logan City Council does the right thing and add these two ordinances, like my hometown did this past August, but here's hoping Logan's hometown bigots leaves things alone unlike what they did in my hometown.

     
  • isaacusmagnus posted at 9:35 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    isaacusmagnus Posts: 21

    Employment - http://www.loganutah.org/City%20Council/PDF/10-26_Employment_Antidiscrimination_Ordinance_Draft[1][1].pdf

    Housing - http://www.loganutah.org/City%20Council/PDF/10-25_Housing_Antidiscrimination_Ordinance_Draft[1][1].pdf

    These are very well-worded and I am impressed with how simple they are to understand. My favorite parts are where they expressly state that no special classes will be made because everyone has sexual orientation and gender identity. Another favored reading is the exemptions of religious, community and non-profit organizations. The third favorite is how to file complaints and how they are resolved.

    Go Logan City Council!

     
  • westcoastliberal posted at 9:27 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    westcoastliberal Posts: 14

    "We should have the right to not associate with someone who is homosexual," said 55-year-old Sandra Rodrigues, of Sandy"

    Hmmm. what about my right not to associate with someone who is like Sandra Rodriques? Oh, right, I make a choice not to. Even if she was my neighbor, I can still choose not to associate with her. However, I don't get to choose where she rents an apartment or applies for a job.

    "This is what the gays want," she said. "It's really insane if you think about it."
    And this? I don't have to really think about it much to think that maybe this woman is insane. Yes, Sandra, it is insane that you actually believe the drivel you are spouting.

     
  • fetch posted at 8:47 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    fetch Posts: 170

    Has anyone read the ordinance, or know where one might? It's hard for me to pass any judgment without reading it.

     
  • manboob posted at 8:28 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    manboob Posts: 511

    Bet they'd be all for an anti-discrimination law for fat-asses though.

     
  • boredguy posted at 8:17 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    boredguy Posts: 157

    The Rodrigueses and Bianco are Brazilian immigrants whose business is to suck money from naive people to support their hate-filled organization, the so-called "America Forever." Their business is to bring their hateful protests where they're not welcome.

    Rodrigueses and Biancos: go back to Provo and drink the Kool-Aid, or better yet: vai de volta as favelas no Brasil, ignoramuses.

     
  • Patches posted at 8:07 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Patches Posts: 284

    Related to this topic, there was a full-page ad by the Sutherland Institute on page B4 of the HJ, addressed to the Logan City Council.

    My favorite quote? "Logan is not Salt Lake City. The political realities of one city are not necessarily those of another. There is no reason for Logan to mimic the highly-charged world of Salt Lake City politics."

    I agree. We can be better than SLC. Go Logan City Council!

     
  • WallyFatBoy posted at 7:45 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    WallyFatBoy Posts: 571

    This is the time of hateful behavior we do not need in Cache Valley and is not reflective of Cache Valley citizens.

     
  • L from Logan posted at 7:40 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    L from Logan Posts: 232

    I'm glad I'm not on the Logan Council!

     
  • shdware posted at 7:18 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    shdware Posts: 985

    "or in the workplace lunchroom where they might openly discuss sexual activity."
    That can get you into trouble regardless of your sexual orientation. I don't want to hear about what goes on in your bedroom, Sandra Rodrigues, especially when I'm at work.

    "Homosexuals want to be in a position to entice children to try out being gay, she said."
    Come on -- acting on attraction is a choice, but having the attraction is not. So is she suggesting that homosexuals want to 'entice' children to act out on an existing attraction, or that homosexuals are wanting children to completely and radically shift their paradigm? This is ridiculous.

    I know it's difficult to be quoted in the paper sometimes - particularly during a phone interview (I was once quoted in a paper as a teenager saying "some people don't speak english that good") - but I don't understand why this woman would be so vehemently opposed to laws discriminating against homosexuals.

    It doesn't teach anyone that what they're doing is right or wrong - it teaches that discrimination based on sexual preference is wrong.

     
  • Patches posted at 6:37 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Patches Posts: 284

    Sandra Rodrigues would be a spooky neighbor. "I don't want to be served by someone with AIDS in the kitchen - I mean, I have those worries. I'm sorry."

    Her comments are a real justification why an ordinance is needed!

     
  • posted at 6:10 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

    Posts:

    Yawii. Those are people who I'd rather have against me than for me.

     

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